Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/index.php)
-   Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Oil Temperature via OBD (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154428)

FR-Saliba 02-05-2024 08:48 AM

Oil Temperature via OBD
 
Hello Guys, I've been through the threads where it says you can read oil temp from the OBD on your phone via Torque app or etc..

Well i followed the steps, threw in the required PIDs, but oil temp isn't still reading on the Torque pro app.

also tried via another app which should have the PID built in
didn't work as well.

Car is a 2013 Scion FR-S with an OTS A01G Tune with Tactrix/Ecuflash.

don't know if this was mentioned before but i couldn't find something to solve this issue.

and the oil temperature from the OBD accurate in the 1st place?

Ohio Enthusiast 02-05-2024 09:08 AM

Getting the oil temp PIDs never worked for me either on the free Torque app. The paid version has a built-in Engine Oil Temperature PID and that works fine.
I can't comment on how accurate it is, but it looks like it's reasonable on the street (staying close to coolant temp but warming/cooling slower) and matches other people's numbers on the track (~270 before oil cooler, ~220-230 after).

FR-Saliba 02-05-2024 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3601017)
Getting the oil temp PIDs never worked for me either on the free Torque app. The paid version has a built-in Engine Oil Temperature PID and that works fine.
I can't comment on how accurate it is, but it looks like it's reasonable on the street (staying close to coolant temp but warming/cooling slower) and matches other people's numbers on the track (~270 before oil cooler, ~220-230 after).

I know the 17+ has already a oil temperature in the cluster
or you talking about a previous model?
and you directly choose the oil temperature from the app when adding a display(cluster etc..) ?

Ohio Enthusiast 02-05-2024 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Saliba (Post 3601020)
I know the 17+ has already a oil temperature in the cluster
or you talking about a previous model?
and you directly choose the oil temperature from the app when adding a display(cluster etc..) ?

My 2018 does not have the LCD screen in the instrument cluster (i.e. exactly the same as the 2016- models), and I was referring only to the Torque Android app on my phone. I do not know if there is an OBD difference between the 2016- and 2017+ models, though.

Going to "Realtime Information -> Add display -> Select type of display -> Select sensor" one of the options is "Engine Oil Temperature". This only became available to me in the paid Torque application - the free Torque app didn't have that sensor option (and the various custom PIDs listed online for the Twins did not work).

Compelica 02-05-2024 09:51 AM

What OBD dongle are you using?

2.2Lude 02-05-2024 02:00 PM

I'm planning on using my Veepeak OBDCheck BLE Bluetooth dongle + OBDFusion App iOS to monitor water and oil temps on the track for my 2014 BRZ.

I previously used this combo on my G37 and it worked great, haven't had a chance to test what data this combo can pull on the BRZ yet though. I'll give it a try in the next day or so and report back.

2.2Lude 02-05-2024 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3601021)
My 2018 does not have the LCD screen in the instrument cluster (i.e. exactly the same as the 2016- models), and I was referring only to the Torque Android app on my phone. I do not know if there is an OBD difference between the 2016- and 2017+ models, though.

Going to "Realtime Information -> Add display -> Select type of display -> Select sensor" one of the options is "Engine Oil Temperature". This only became available to me in the paid Torque application - the free Torque app didn't have that sensor option (and the various custom PIDs listed online for the Twins did not work).

This is for Harry's lap timer and not Torque but maybe there's something helpful here : http://forum.gps-laptimer.de/viewtop...=1364&start=30

FR-Saliba 02-06-2024 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3601021)
My 2018 does not have the LCD screen in the instrument cluster (i.e. exactly the same as the 2016- models), and I was referring only to the Torque Android app on my phone. I do not know if there is an OBD difference between the 2016- and 2017+ models, though.

Going to "Realtime Information -> Add display -> Select type of display -> Select sensor" one of the options is "Engine Oil Temperature". This only became available to me in the paid Torque application - the free Torque app didn't have that sensor option (and the various custom PIDs listed online for the Twins did not work).

oh okay, so only use the "Engine oil temperature" from the displays of the app without adding any PID or equations or else.

and nothing has to do with tuning files ?

FR-Saliba 02-06-2024 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compelica (Post 3601022)
What OBD dongle are you using?

the blue ELM327 v1.5

it connects to the ECU via the app
unlike the v2.1

Ohio Enthusiast 02-06-2024 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Saliba (Post 3601056)
oh okay, so only use the "Engine oil temperature" from the displays of the app without adding any PID or equations or else.

and nothing has to do with tuning files ?

Correct. Just the paid Torque app.

Compelica 02-06-2024 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Saliba (Post 3601057)
the blue ELM327 v1.5

it connects to the ECU via the app
unlike the v2.1

As I understand it - some clones are unable to do certain commands in the ELM327 instruction set hence they fail to query some mode 21 PIDs (like the custom PID to get the oil temperature).

You can download the ELM327 Identifier app and it will test each command to rule out that it's the dongle - I'm using the Torque Pro app as well via the custom PID and it works fine.

Ohio Enthusiast 02-06-2024 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compelica (Post 3601064)
As I understand it - some clones are unable to do certain commands in the ELM327 hence they fail to query some mode 21 PIDs (like the custom PID to get the oil temperature).

You can download the ELM327 Identifier app and it will test each command to rule out that it's the dongle - I'm using the Torque Pro app as well via the custom PID and it works fine.

Interesting. I use a generic blue ELM327 as well, and the custom PID didn't work for me with the free Torque app, but the built in Engine Oil Temperature "sensor" works fine with the paid Torque app.

Nice suggestion about the ELM327 Identifier app - my OBD dongle passed up to 1.4, then failed 1.4b and above.

What's the custom PID that you use for oil temp? I've seen a few variations but none worked for me with the free Torque.

Compelica 02-06-2024 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3601065)
Interesting. I use a generic blue ELM327 as well, and the custom PID didn't work for me with the free Torque app, but the built in Engine Oil Temperature "sensor" works fine with the paid Torque app.

Nice suggestion about the ELM327 Identifier app - my OBD dongle passed up to 1.4, then failed 1.4b and above.

What's the custom PID that you use for oil temp? I've seen a few variations but none worked for me with the free Torque.

It's this one here: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23530

I have not used the free version unfortunately - jumped straight to the paid version. Or if you don't want to deal with the custom stuff, you can get OBD Fusion + Toyota addon and it'll work (I have that too, just that I still prefer the customization of Torque).

Regarding the ELM327 version identification; you don't need to have the latest version for it to work. Some commands were only released on the newer versions (and aren't necessarily used) so it may be OK to fail the higher versions. But if you're seeing both supported/unsupported counts on a particular version - that likely indicates that it's a clone which does not support the full list of commands as expected of that version.

Ohio Enthusiast 02-06-2024 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compelica (Post 3601066)

Are you referring to this one?
Quote:

OBD2 Mode and PID: 2101
Minimum Value: -40
Maximum Value: 215 (this is just the maximum that this location can support, which does not mean the sensor can read that high)
Scale factor: x1
Unit type: C
Equation: AC-40 (no space between A and C; "AC" is the location within the response)
OBD Header: 7E0 (Auto also works, but seems to take longer)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Compelica (Post 3601066)
I have not used the free version unfortunately - jumped straight to the paid version.

Does the built-in "Engine Oil Temperature" not work for you that you use a custom PID?


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:21 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.


Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.