Third Party Testing: Crawford Billet Power Blocks (BPB / Manifold Spacers)

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

On the dyno now (have been for the last 5 hours). Tested the BPB with the Phantom SC installed and with it removed (leaving OFT, OFH and full exhaust). I'll start another thread once I'm done and back home later tonight.

A good bit of custom tuning was required on top of the Stg 2 UEL OTS map.

So where is the thread? (tapping toe).
You make a habit of missing self imposed deadlines and people are going to start thinking you've got a life outside the garage. Hell, like you might have a girlfriend or something.

[raven1231]

We're all waiting....Your life should revolve around ours! LOL

[twag4]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

Are you gonna release a stage 1 tune as well for the BPB or only stg 2?

Are we gonna have a STG 2 EL BPB? I feel like the EL guys are left a bit behind in map refinement vs UEL. I know you sell OFH but no everyone like the UEL sound.

I've asked Shiv more than once about EL, he doesn't answer EL questions. Too bad, I really appreciate what he is doing.

[wparsons]

Of course he supports UEL more on his free tunes, he sells a UEL header! There's nothing stopping other people from contributing free OTS tunes for any combination of parts.

[Bonks86]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Could always try using a different material if the Billet is too small and doesn't do its job correctly regarding heat - but not sure if thats an option.

Do you think this hood would help the Innovate's clearance with having the BPB's?

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Bonks86

Do you think this hood would help the Innovate's clearance with having the BPB's?

Could possibly..but I wouldn't be able to know for sure without knowing how much that area is raised up, and if its in the right location lol

[Bonks86]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Could possibly..but I wouldn't be able to know for sure without knowing how much that area is raised up, and if its in the right location lol

Yea... just a thought. I haven't seen any other hoods that look like they would help in that location at all. Would be interesting to see if it would work tho

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by raven1231

We're all waiting....Your life should revolve around ours! LOL

lol.. of course it does!

Anyway, tested the BPB yesterday with both the Phantom and NA (full bolt on- OFH + Custom bat-back) set ups. With a tank full of 93oct. With the Phantom, it doesn't look like a good match. Lost power just about everywhere. It didn't look promising so I didn't bother with custom tuning with the BPBs. I will probably give it a try when more time permits though. But these results make sense as more airflow would suggest shortening the runners are the way to go.

So then I removed the Phantom and tested just NA (with the OTS Stage 2 UEL map) and it picked up good power in the ~5000-6500rpm range. But lost about equal power above that. Same peak power (187whp). Still worthwhile to many people who would trade off top end power for a lower RPM power peak. So then I custom tuned the heck out of it to the point where it didn't loose much top end while still making the big gains between 5000-6500rpm. Peak power was the same but the area under the curve was much bigger. So definitely an improvement.

The only reason I don't want to immortalize those results now by posting them is because I made some pretty aggressive tuning changes above 6500rpm to regain the lost power. So aggressive that I want to ensure that the mapping is stable down to 91oct. If so, I would consider this a fair test. If not, we would be comparing a conservative tune (without BPB) to an aggressive tune (with BPB).

But I can say that the car drives great with the custom tune and the PBPs. Very noticeable gains without the need to rev it out all the way to 7500rpm. Just give me a couple of days to determine if the custom tune is something that is conservative enough to release to the public. For that, I need to burn off some 93oct, fill up with 91 and then put the car through the wringer.

When time permits I'll do some testing on a totally stock vehicle with just the OFT and the BPB. That will be necessary in order to release Stage 1 to Stage 2 OTS maps for the BPB.

I'll start a new thread (with complete dyno results) after the necessary road tested

Cheers,
shiv

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

lol.. of course it does!

Anyway, tested the BPB yesterday with both the Phantom and NA (full bolt on- OFH + Custom bat-back) set ups. With a tank full of 93oct. With the Phantom, it doesn't look like a good match. Lost power just about everywhere. It didn't look promising so I didn't bother with custom tuning with the BPBs. I will probably give it a try when more time permits though. But these results make sense as more airflow would suggest shortening the runners are the way to go.

So then I removed the Phantom and tested just NA (with the OTS Stage 2 UEL map) and it picked up good power in the ~5000-6500rpm range. But lost about equal power above that. Same peak power (187whp). Still worthwhile to many people who would trade off top end power for a lower RPM power peak. So then I custom tuned the heck out of it to the point where it didn't loose much top end while still making the big gains between 5000-6500rpm. Peak power was the same but the area under the curve was much bigger. So definitely an improvement.

The only reason I don't want to immortalize those results now by posting them is because I made some pretty aggressive tuning changes above 6500rpm to regain the lost power. So aggressive that I want to ensure that the mapping is stable down to 91oct. If so, I would consider this a fair test. If not, we would be comparing a conservative tune (without BPB) to an aggressive tune (with BPB).

But I can say that the car drives great with the custom tune and the PBPs. Very noticeable gains without the need to rev it out all the way to 7500rpm. Just give me a couple of days to determine if the custom tune is something that is conservative enough to release to the public. For that, I need to burn off some 93oct, fill up with 91 and then put the car through the wringer.

When time permits I'll do some testing on a totally stock vehicle with just the OFT and the BPB. That will be necessary in order to release Stage 1 to Stage 2 OTS maps for the BPB.

I'll start a new thread (with complete dyno results) after the necessary road tested

Cheers,
shiv

Sad to hear it's not a good match with the ESC....Oh well at least It will save me money lol. Now if we could find out the results from the dual dump packs

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

lol.. of course it does!

Anyway, tested the BPB yesterday with both the Phantom and NA (full bolt on- OFH + Custom bat-back) set ups. With a tank full of 93oct. With the Phantom, it doesn't look like a good match. Lost power just about everywhere. It didn't look promising so I didn't bother with custom tuning with the BPBs. I will probably give it a try when more time permits though. But these results make sense as more airflow would suggest shortening the runners are the way to go.

So then I removed the Phantom and tested just NA (with the OTS Stage 2 UEL map) and it picked up good power in the ~5000-6500rpm range. But lost about equal power above that. Same peak power (187whp). Still worthwhile to many people who would trade off top end power for a lower RPM power peak. So then I custom tuned the heck out of it to the point where it didn't loose much top end while still making the big gains between 5000-6500rpm. Peak power was the same but the area under the curve was much bigger. So definitely an improvement.

The only reason I don't want to immortalize those results now by posting them is because I made some pretty aggressive tuning changes above 6500rpm to regain the lost power. So aggressive that I want to ensure that the mapping is stable down to 91oct. If so, I would consider this a fair test. If not, we would be comparing a conservative tune (without BPB) to an aggressive tune (with BPB).

But I can say that the car drives great with the custom tune and the PBPs. Very noticeable gains without the need to rev it out all the way to 7500rpm. Just give me a couple of days to determine if the custom tune is something that is conservative enough to release to the public. For that, I need to burn off some 93oct, fill up with 91 and then put the car through the wringer.

When time permits I'll do some testing on a totally stock vehicle with just the OFT and the BPB. That will be necessary in order to release Stage 1 to Stage 2 OTS maps for the BPB.

I'll start a new thread (with complete dyno results) after the necessary road tested

Cheers,
shiv

What about EL?

[FrsDuke]

We need to get a nameless header in shiv's hands

[raven1231]

Only if shiv doesn't mind waiting 6 months for it to arrive! LOL only kidding, would be interesting to see

[Grip Ronin]

ill run the aggressive 93 tune

[cslntuee]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Anyone looking at buying a bigger TB should first log their car to see if they're even getting 100% throttle position as the revs climb. I bet your money would be far better spent having the tune "fixed" to get 100% throttle rather than buying a bigger TB.

Will the bigger TB+ tune can get the optimize(better) result?
Thanks.