BRZ or LFX RX8 or R53 MCS

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by xdavidx

You are right, I am just responding to your last 6 or so posts where you said the car has no balls, is rice, and posted half page specs of minivan 0-60 times and argued with people about how it is slower than minivans. Pretty hard to even tell what the OP was saying after all that.

Wasting your time. The minivan times are obviously gospel while the 86 times are way off.
Creative interpretation of the data is creative.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by xdavidx

You are right, I am just responding to your last 6 or so posts where you said the car has no balls, is rice, and posted half page specs of minivan 0-60 times and argued with people about how it is slower than minivans. Pretty hard to even tell what the OP was saying after all that.

Don't forget about the part where he called the 86 a sports car and in the very same post, said it wasn't. 420 IQ genius.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Wasting your time. The minivan times are obviously gospel while the 86 times are way off.
Creative interpretation of the data is creative.

He has also yet to let me know where he gets his data that he seems to know all about. 0-40 times, 40-120 times.. etc.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

He has also yet to let me know where he gets his data that he seems to know all about. 0-40 times, 40-120 times.. etc.

Reread my post buddy. I specifically said 40-120 times would be better comparisons but the data is hard to find. I also said the minivans and crossovers are probably (meaning a theory) based on the fact that they accelerate substantially slower the faster they go more so then the 86s. And my personal experience with various crossovers. My mazda cx5 with its low end torque and AWD is surprisingly fast off the line especially 0-40. Slows down a bit 40-60. But still boasts a 7.6 0-60 without launching.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Don't forget about the part where he called the 86 a sports car and in the very same post, said it wasn't. 420 IQ genius.

I never once said any of this.... reading compression would be a good skill to learn.

[xdavidx]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Well by the literal definition of a sports car “a car designed for performance at high speed”. And you generally expect the car to be able to get to that high speed relatively quickly.

35k out the door for a 250whp/300crank. Now that makes it a sports
Car.

sports car

noun Definition of sports car


: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sports%20car

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Wasting your time. The minivan times are obviously gospel while the 86 times are way off.
Creative interpretation of the data is creative.

Again reading compression would help a lot. I never once said the 86 can’t do a low 6s 0-60 WITH A LAUNCH! I said WITHOUT a launch it is a second slower. Putting it in the range of several minivans and crossovers. Have you read how motor trend and car and driver do 0-60 times? They launch manuals on a track in good conditions, so they are hooking and taking off, they just smash the peddle from a stop with autos, sometimes they brake and rev to torque lockup but that’s still not close to a real launch. Nor is it real world as your probably not hooking as well on the street. But hey if you like to rev up and launch at every stop light to pull ahead of minivans more power to you.

Are people really arguing this car is fast? Literally the number one thing everyone says. Car is amazing handling, great entry level track car etc etc.. but it’s just lacking that power and acceleration. I’m not saying anything remotely new. I hope I wasn’t the one to break the news to you this car wasn’t build from the factory for acceleration.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by xdavidx

sports car

noun Definition of sports car


: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sports%20car

Like I said. How can you drive fast if you don’t have the power to go fast... you going to mash on the peddle for half a day?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Again reading compression would help a lot. I never once said the 86 can’t do a low 6s 0-60 WITH A LAUNCH! I said WITHOUT a launch it is a second slower. Putting it in the range of several minivans and crossovers. Have you read how motor trend and car and driver do 0-60 times? They launch manuals on a track in good conditions, so they are hooking and taking off, they just smash the peddle from a stop with autos, sometimes they brake and rev to torque lockup but that’s still not close to a real launch. Nor is it real world as your probably not hooking as well on the street. But hey if you like to rev up and launch at every stop light to pull ahead of minivans more power to you.

Are people really arguing this car is fast? Literally the number one thing everyone says. Car is amazing handling, great entry level track car etc etc.. but it’s just lacking that power and acceleration. I’m not saying anything remotely new. I hope I wasn’t the one to break the news to you this car wasn’t build from the factory for acceleration.

It isn't a slow car. It just isn't as fast as some. And no not "everybody" says it is slow. The AVERAGE 0 to 60 for cars (including SUVs and Minivans) is 9 seconds. Even if we want to twist the times around to account for launch this car is still well below the average and in the "fast" category. Cherry picking top of the line minvans and repeating that their times are "faster" is not looking at the whole nor real world picture.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Like I said. How can you drive fast if you don’t have the power to go fast... you going to mash on the peddle for half a day?

Ah your idea of driving is pedal mashing. So much makes sense now.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ah your idea of driving is pedal mashing. So much makes sense now.

To get to a fast speed in this car you need to wot for about half a day. You seen the video of this car stock on autobahn? Guy got to 120mph I walked away made dinner, read my son a bedtime story and came back and he had just hit 130mph, went to sleep and woke up to see him just hit 142.

He also did 0-62mph with a mini launch in 7.6sec.
Do I need to post more video evidence? That the 86 no launch is a second slower then with a launch? And real world I hope you aren’t launching at every stop.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It isn't a slow car. It just isn't as fast as some. And no not "everybody" says it is slow. The AVERAGE 0 to 60 for cars (including SUVs and Minivans) is 9 seconds. Even if we want to twist the times around to account for launch this car is still well below the average and in the "fast" category. Cherry picking top of the line minvans and repeating that their times are "faster" is not looking at the whole nor real world picture.

A 30k$ Toyota Sienna L and 26k$ dodge caravan se are top of the line?
What about all the crossovers for under 30k$?

Not account for launching makes it real world scenario.

[86TOYO2k17]

In fact from 2012-2018 USA BRZ/FRS/86 sales totaled 110,386, Toyota Sienna and dodge caravan from same time frame totaled 1,723,975, you are 15.6times more likely to line up next to one of those two minivans real world compared to another BRZ/FRS/86.

[Tomm]

As a former R53 MCS owner, I'll tell you they are a blast to drive and a headache to mod and maintain. They don't like to be lowered - unless you're rocking some beefy axles and LCA bushings. Oil leaks from 3 very common areas. Your car will stay in FES mode (front end service) for pretty much any maintenance beyond an oil change. Also these things are aerodynamically challenged. Anything over 80mph and you might as well have a parachute strapped to it.