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Blighty · 08-30-2021, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Does anybody actually buy that BS COG argument the Subaru carline planning manager spouts in one of these reviews about why there's no turbo on the new car? If so I've got a fabulous Florida real estate investment opportunity for you....

It doesn't have a turbo, its designed that way, lets appreciate it for what it is - marketing guys are marketing guys.

Having the lowest COG this side of 100k is a pretty cool thing anyway.

mazeroni · 08-30-2021, 10:04 AM

Looks great in red.

racingfool · 08-30-2021, 10:29 AM

Pete · 08-30-2021, 10:55 AM

He says he has more confidence driving the BRZ fast. Hmmm.

SockMonkey · 08-30-2021, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Does anybody actually buy that BS COG argument the Subaru carline planning manager spouts in one of these reviews about why there's no turbo on the new car? If so I've got a fabulous Florida real estate investment opportunity for you....

..yes?

All their new/current turbo designs (aside from the outgoing STi) are mounted directly below the motor. Adding a turbo to this chassis would require lifting the entire drivetrain like 5 or more inches. That would greatly affect the COG... It would also would add significant cost and weight, which are also huge selling points for this car. Besides, it goes against everything this car is meant to be. Want a turbo? Go elsewhere or but it on yourself?

phyz1ks · 08-30-2021, 12:39 PM

Code Monkey · 08-30-2021, 01:19 PM

@7:55 " ... if you push and hold both of them [stability control buttons] for 4 seconds, it will let you turn everything off completely..." Would be great if that was the pedal dance.

timurrrr · 08-30-2021, 01:33 PM

Confirmed: at least on the BRZ, at least on the auto, you can have tire pressures displayed in track mode.

Source: 6:13 in this video

Veloist · 08-30-2021, 01:37 PM

I think the verdict is pretty much what the Japanese first drives said. The BRZ is more stable in turns and less tail-happy.

I keep reading and hearing the steering doesn’t have that much feedback, but is still precise. The first gen had an incredible steering feel I thought. Did they tune it to be that much lighter?

The GR 86 looks a lot better but the BRZ is the car I’d appreciate with my driving style. It’s a hard a choice for me…

timurrrr · 08-30-2021, 01:45 PM

Another video demonstrating that you can indeed change the mode of the left display in track mode, this time in a manual car.

Starts at 8:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veloist

The BRZ is more stable in turns and less tail-happy.

I'm pretty sure with camber bolts the BRZ will be as good as it gets for a stock car, and GR86 will be too tail happy.

stilesg57 · 08-30-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mazeroni

Just saw that. Probably no embargo. Probably a free for all. Whoever gets it up fastest wins.

Actually there was an embargo, and Redline followed it: it lifted at 9am EST today. Hence all the reviews popping up at 9:01 EST

This event happened over a week ago per several of these reviewers’ instagrams.

stilesg57 · 08-30-2021, 02:55 PM

Does seem like the BRZ will be the better car (better stock suspension I should say) to add power to…

Per the Motor Trend review: “We had enough oomph to play as we wanted in the GR 86, but our faster pace in the BRZ had us wishing for more power, just like in the old car.”

dowroa · 08-30-2021, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veloist

I think the verdict is pretty much what the Japanese first drives said. The BRZ is more stable in turns and less tail-happy.

I keep reading and hearing the steering doesn’t have that much feedback, but is still precise. The first gen had an incredible steering feel I thought. Did they tune it to be that much lighter?

The GR 86 looks a lot better but the BRZ is the car I’d appreciate with my driving style. It’s a hard a choice for me…

I thought part of the mechanical change to this generation was basically a design change to the steering rack.

Wasn't last generation a manual a manual rack with the electric PS pump on the column inside the cabin? So it had a more direct feel...

I am not sure what changes were made to Gen2, but I think they did announce changes. If they have gone a more traditional route, that would have changed the feeling.

Need more information.

For "more stable", it was brought up there is a rear bar mounting difference. I would assume the dampers / springs are more relaxed in the rear to give you the Subaru "confidence".

For competition, I wonder which sway bar setup will be more advantageous.

Sport-Tech · 08-30-2021, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stilesg57

Does seem like the BRZ will be the better car (better stock suspension I should say) to add power to…

Per the Motor Trend review: “We had enough oomph to play as we wanted in the GR 86, but our faster pace in the BRZ had us wishing for more power, just like in the old car.”

It's hard to know how much credence to give the MT comparison though because the review is unattributed, so we don't know if the BRZ reviewer even drove the GR86 at all.

But if the review is accurate, it sounds like the GR86 will be the better car for those that just want a playful sportscar primarily for street use and have no interest in modding it.

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