Cosworth Power Package/Parts Teased

[DatApex]

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG

I agree, but the increased rate of acceleration is directly correlated to the increase in efficiency in the drivetrain by freeing up weight. It's one of those things, we're saying the same thing but in a different way. You actually don't increase any power by doing lightweight drivetrain parts but it increases the rate at which the engine "works" which results in higher performance (on a dyno, this translates to more power because of the way dyno's measure power)

It's really just a bunch of engineers arguing semantics at this point, heh. But saying that running a lightweight pulley nets you HP gain is categorically false, and the real answer is more complicated.

Let's just agree that it helps and leave it at that.

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[Jason@DSG]

Originally Posted by DatApex

It's really just a bunch of engineers arguing semantics at this point, heh. But saying that running a lightweight pulley nets you HP gain is categorically false, and the real answer is more complicated.

Let's just agree that it helps and leave it at that.

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Definitely!

[Guillaume]

Damned, is it that obvious that I am an engineer?

[Okieman]

What whp does the BRZ make? If you add 30 hp to the flywheel what will be the increase to your whp? Thanks

[Jason@DSG]

Originally Posted by Okieman

What whp does the BRZ make? If you add 30 hp to the flywheel what will be the increase to your whp? Thanks

About 160whp OEM (depending on dyno type of course)


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10366


That means 230hp = 185whp

[Tainen]

I'm guessing a lot of the cost is in the tune R&D. The WHP numbers are lower than other solutions out there, so I'm also guessing it's a pretty safe tune, so they can support it more easily and back their products. The cost of buying from a large aftermarket company I suppose, similar to Cobb for WRXs, Dinan for 3 series, etc. Safe tunes, full support, less whp, more money. Just a different route with different pros and cons.

[ProjectGT86]

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG

Dyno result on a WRX before and after with OEM versus lightweight crank pulley, 10whp freed up:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1868471


I completely agree you aren't ADDING any power perse, but the engine requires less work when running lighter pulleys (or other lightweight drivetrain parts) freeing up power that was lost due to heavier drivetrain components getting more power to the wheels that was just being lost spinning heavier OEM parts.


Another really popular example, 3000GT's and Stealth R/T switching to PST Carbon or Aluminum Driveshafts. This is pretty much the first mod any of these guys do and as you can see here, 381whp OEM driveshaft and 413whp after (post #4):

http://www.3si.org/forum/f1/pst-1-pi...t-dyno-631730/

That's exactly what I'm saying. No power is added but more of the power being produced at the crank can make it's way to the wheels

[ProjectGT86]

Originally Posted by DatApex

It's really just a bunch of engineers arguing semantics at this point, heh. But saying that running a lightweight pulley nets you HP gain is categorically false, and the real answer is more complicated.

Let's just agree that it helps and leave it at that.

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I didn't mean it as net gains, I was rendering to more of the measured power on a dyno,

[350matt]

Originally Posted by Fear

This thread is worthless!!!!!!

Nameless is Cosworth is nameless


Screw Paying more for the name "Cosworth" when the real design is nameless....

support a forum vendor and the original product designer... NAMELESS

except that the Cosworth exhaust looks nothing like the nameless offering

yes they sell a 3" system and the cosworth item is also a 3" system made by nameless

but the amount of silencing is different, the resonator design is different, the overpipe has a cat and catback layout is different

I agree the manifold looks the same though

and if nameless are making the exhaust anyway
so you buy a cosworth item then you're still supporting nameless....

they made it then they get paid by cosworth

[NissanGuy]

Originally Posted by Bg8780

I agree. It is a little pricey. But I think about it this way. I've already spent.

JDL UEL, FP with resonator and HFC, and OP: $1800
HKS Legamax Sport exhaust: $1700
ECUTEK cable and tune: ~$1000

That's $4500 right there. Could I go cheaper? Absolutely, but I believe these to be high end parts and so is what Cosworth and Nameless put out. So the extra ~$1000 isn't too crazy to me. Some of that money going to the name? Sure! But I would gladly wear a Cosworth badge on my car. They have a rich and successful racing heritage and have produced some of the most legendary race engines.

Thank you! Everyone is getting so upset that high-end parts aren't priced like low-end parts, by my math the Cosworth is on the order of 50% at most pricier than its competition. Not unexpected, and it's worth mentioning that the cost of parts, and the cost of engineering are not the same thing at all. Some things in this world are quite simply expensive. Geez, how did people react to the TRD stuff?

I'm disappointed in the kit for a different reason: No catalyst, and a lumpy powerband. I should've predicted that Cosworth of all companies would calibrate for the track rather than the street though. Does anyone sell a catted header with a corresponding tune? (totally not rhetorical, please tell me)

Audible sigh...

Originally Posted by MAPerformance

I can tell you the stage 1.3 package is not even close to $6700. It's not cheap either (same price as our turbo kit) but not that expensive.

Oh, you're slick. I like you.

[Fear]

Originally Posted by 350matt

except that the Cosworth exhaust looks nothing like the nameless offering

yes they sell a 3" system and the cosworth item is also a 3" system made by nameless

but the amount of silencing is different, the resonator design is different, the overpipe has a cat and catback layout is different

I agree the manifold looks the same though

and if nameless are making the exhaust anyway
so you buy a cosworth item then you're still supporting nameless....

they made it then they get paid by cosworth

i like your logic, tell you what...

I'll buy what ever mods you want to do from the vendor of your choice, Write my name on them, charge you a premium for my name + my cost for the parts and we can both be happy

Deal?

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by NissanGuy

Thank you! Everyone is getting so upset that high-end parts aren't priced like low-end parts, by my math the Cosworth is on the order of 50% at most pricier than its competition. Not unexpected, and it's worth mentioning that the cost of parts, and the cost of engineering are not the same thing at all. Some things in this world are quite simply expensive. Geez, how did people react to the TRD stuff?

I'm disappointed in the kit for a different reason: No catalyst, and a lumpy powerband. I should've predicted that Cosworth of all companies would calibrate for the track rather than the street though. Does anyone sell a catted header with a corresponding tune? (totally not rhetorical, please tell me)

Audible sigh...



Oh, you're slick. I like you.

People are upset that branded parts like the Nameless header and Ecutek tuning that are exactly the same as Cosworth's package but cost substantially less.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Please are upset that branded parts like the Nameless header and Ecutek tuning that are exactly the same as Cosworth's package but cost substantially less.

Header, perhaps. Tune, not so much.
The cosworth name was showm to be about 600 more than what nameless is charging but cbe is different. Seems normal really, companies do this all the time. Not everything in our car is manufactured by Toyota.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG

About 160whp OEM (depending on dyno type of course)


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10366


That means 230hp = 185whp

That seems closer to the loss for AWD

I'm thinking 195 (@ 15% instead of 20%)