Supercharger Comparison: Innovate, Jackson, Kraftwerks, Vortech *Updated March 9 2014 - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Starscream15 · 01-14-2014, 01:56 PM

So much WIN in this thread. Thanks Mike!

Subbed like a bawse.

CSG Mike · 01-14-2014, 01:57 PM

Innovate Intercooled
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...65&postcount=1

Innovate 70mm pulley, non-intercooled
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1914

Kraftwerks
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1

Jackson Racing
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=53

Vortech
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=15

ATL BRZ · 01-14-2014, 02:02 PM

OP delivers

Rotrex delivers

In before @gmsii gets in here and raises hell

sw20kosh · 01-14-2014, 02:05 PM

Fixed

swift996 · 01-14-2014, 02:06 PM

Great data, too bad we can't get a apples to apples comparison (same mods) but this is a great effort. It really shows the characteristics of these kits. I live in the 2k-5k range daily so the Innovate is nice for me. I can see why a lot of people prefer a more peak HP oriented kit, that's fun too!

CSG Mike · 01-14-2014, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Those are wrong.

The first graph is Innovate Intercooled (from innovate themselves).

The second graph is my car which at the time had smaller 70 mm pulley, no intercooler, header and full catless exhaust.

Err, I mislabeled the graphs when I was citing sources, but I'll let the guy who made em know that the Innovate dyno is on a smaller pulley and catless.

Victor Draken · 01-14-2014, 02:21 PM

innovate intercooled is worse then the non intercooled

edit: you already noticed

ramiram1984 · 01-14-2014, 02:26 PM

So, who's the overall winner here??? :P

OICU812 · 01-14-2014, 02:28 PM

Great post confirms lots of win for the Rotrex that's for sure.

ramiram1984 · 01-14-2014, 02:31 PM

@CSG Mike
Jackson Racing
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1

Kraftwerks
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=53

Mike, these are flip flopped. The KW under here is actually my JR. The JR is actually the KW SC.

Dezoris · 01-14-2014, 02:32 PM

What we need is a group of fruitcakes to get together, at a shop have a single tuner do each car and dyno all same place.

Then we can have a raffle:

Who can count how many coolers the Rotrex kits have?
How many Vortechs have leaky washer bottles and grinding pulleys?
How many non-IC Innovate kits heat soak after 2 runs?
How many quarts of coolant can the Innovate IC kit loose in an hour?
Bonus, which Tuners blow the most motors?

CSG Mike · 01-14-2014, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramiram1984

@CSG Mike
Jackson Racing
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1

Kraftwerks
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=53

Mike, these are flip flopped. The KW under here is actually my JR. The JR is actually the KW SC.

Ooops. Corrected!

ramiram1984 · 01-14-2014, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris

What we need is a group of fruitcakes to get together, at a shop have a single tuner do each car and dyno all same place.

Then we can have a raffle:

Who can count how many coolers the Rotrex kits have?
How many Vortechs have leaky washer bottles and grinding pulleys?
How many non-IC Innovate kits heat soak after 2 runs?
How many quarts of coolant can the Innovate IC kit loose in an hour?
Bonus, which Tuners blow the most motors?

To include you, fruitcake?

Dezoris · 01-14-2014, 02:38 PM

Mike did you ever see a quality SC comparison on the S2k? Same place same time etc?

01-14-2014, 01:57 PM	#16
CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,564 Thanks: 8,942 Thanked 14,214 Times in 6,856 Posts Mentioned: 970 Post(s)	Innovate Intercooled http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...65&postcount=1 Innovate 70mm pulley, non-intercooled http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1914 Kraftwerks http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1 Jackson Racing http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=53 Vortech http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=15 Last edited by CSG Mike; 01-14-2014 at 02:32 PM.

01-14-2014, 02:02 PM	#17
ATL BRZ TEQSPORT Brand Manager Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: '24 GR86 + '16 FR-S Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,666 Thanks: 3,725 Thanked 4,137 Times in 1,707 Posts Mentioned: 90 Post(s)	OP delivers Rotrex delivers In before @gmsii gets in here and raises hell __________________ ________________________________Toyota \| Lexus Parts & Performance Specialists__________________________________

01-14-2014, 02:05 PM	#18
sw20kosh Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Black FR-S Location: SF Posts: 3,030 Thanks: 881 Thanked 2,014 Times in 990 Posts Mentioned: 153 Post(s)	Fixed Last edited by sw20kosh; 01-14-2014 at 02:57 PM.

01-14-2014, 02:06 PM	#19
swift996 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,432 Thanks: 712 Thanked 955 Times in 545 Posts Mentioned: 47 Post(s)	Great data, too bad we can't get a apples to apples comparison (same mods) but this is a great effort. It really shows the characteristics of these kits. I live in the 2k-5k range daily so the Innovate is nice for me. I can see why a lot of people prefer a more peak HP oriented kit, that's fun too! __________________ Innovate Supercharged Black Limited BRZ 6-Speed MT(Build Thread) 2010 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan M6 w/550whp (Build Thread)

01-14-2014, 02:21 PM	#21
Victor Draken Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: Toyota Gt86 Location: Italy Posts: 370 Thanks: 119 Thanked 61 Times in 40 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s)	innovate intercooled is worse then the non intercooled edit: you already noticed __________________

01-14-2014, 01:56 PM	#15
Starscream15 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ - DGM Location: Minneapolis Posts: 678 Thanks: 409 Thanked 277 Times in 170 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s)	So much WIN in this thread. Thanks Mike! Subbed like a bawse.

01-14-2014, 02:26 PM	#22
ramiram1984 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2016 STi DGM Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 1,607 Thanks: 742 Thanked 516 Times in 334 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	So, who's the overall winner here??? :P __________________ -2014 SSM BRZ MT

01-14-2014, 02:28 PM	#23
OICU812 Just a dude Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Scion FR-S 2013 Location: Edson, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,289 Thanks: 1,185 Thanked 1,188 Times in 852 Posts Mentioned: 34 Post(s)	Great post confirms lots of win for the Rotrex that's for sure. __________________ My Journal Shawn

01-14-2014, 02:31 PM	#24
ramiram1984 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2016 STi DGM Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 1,607 Thanks: 742 Thanked 516 Times in 334 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	@CSG Mike Jackson Racing http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1 Kraftwerks http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=53 Mike, these are flip flopped. The KW under here is actually my JR. The JR is actually the KW SC. __________________ -2014 SSM BRZ MT

01-14-2014, 02:32 PM	#25
Dezoris Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: IL Posts: 2,857 Thanks: 519 Thanked 2,999 Times in 1,095 Posts Mentioned: 159 Post(s)	What we need is a group of fruitcakes to get together, at a shop have a single tuner do each car and dyno all same place. Then we can have a raffle: Who can count how many coolers the Rotrex kits have? How many Vortechs have leaky washer bottles and grinding pulleys? How many non-IC Innovate kits heat soak after 2 runs? How many quarts of coolant can the Innovate IC kit loose in an hour? Bonus, which Tuners blow the most motors? __________________ SAVAGEGEESE

01-14-2014, 02:38 PM	#28
Dezoris Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: IL Posts: 2,857 Thanks: 519 Thanked 2,999 Times in 1,095 Posts Mentioned: 159 Post(s)	Mike did you ever see a quality SC comparison on the S2k? Same place same time etc? __________________ SAVAGEGEESE

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