Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[waterbison777]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Small world! I was there both days driving the silver cayman s and pitted along with my friends who drove the exige, e46 m3, Evo vii and Lemons racecar (miata). I should have come by and said hi

I definitely saw you and all your friends on track. If only I'd known! I'll be sure to look for those same cars at future track events.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Thanks for this. It's enlightening.

No probs, saw it posted on Autoblog today. Good stuff.

[waterbison777]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

Yeah,


Sounds like for your application the Phantom really doesn't fit the bill. You need a turbocharger.


Of course a turbo is a lot more expensive, a lot more complicated and could potentially explode you're engine.


So,
If you're putting the Phantom up for sale, I'm interested.
Imagine a dual parallel ESC!

Haha! Or I can stick with NA on the track and use the ESC as a daily! The swap is so straightforward with the ESC systems integration and OFT.

But sure, I'll entertain the idea. PM me an offer and we'll see!

[Sojhinn]

Ok is it really that expensive? (The racing school, license and etc) Not sure I can afford it at this moment.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Ok is it really that expensive? (The racing school, license and etc) Not sure I can afford it at this moment.

Consumables can be expensive (tires, brakes, fluids). Early on you can HDPE for very little (the instruction part). There are a lot of low cost beginner days like @Moto-P Moto Miwa's 86 DD academy, Speedventures, etc (I,m sure the group here can recommend many many more).

If you want to AutoX this is also reasonable, as I understand it, once again the costs are mostly in consumables.

To get a racing license, NASA can be less expensive than SCCA because you can use NASAs HDPE route. Remember, these costs are spread over time. You don't have to do it all at once. If you want to get a license over a weekend, then the costs climb somewhat. If you want to use a school that provides the cars, the costs climb dramatically. The link above walks through most of the process.

[nlowell]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Ok is it really that expensive? (The racing school, license and etc) Not sure I can afford it at this moment.

This article is not my experience at all. First off, its important to know what your objectives are. Are you going to the track to race competitively or are you going to the track to just "race"?

HPDE is, in my opinion, for people who want to experience going really fast (as fast as you want or are able to) around a track filled with other cars and drivers who are also wanting to drive fast. The people that are on the track with you "should" be of the relative same driving skill and comfort as you. This is done by the different HPDE classes in NASA.

HPDE1 and 2 run together. The only difference is that HPDE1s have an instructor in the car 100% of the time and with HPDE2 its not mandatory. Passing is only allowed in the main straights and point-bys are highly recommended (the front driver acknowledges they are letting you pass).

HPDE3 is the next level of driver and opens up passing to more areas
HPDE4 is the top HPDE level.
HPDE3 and 4 sometimes run together and sometimes run separately.

In HPDE they don't track your time or your "place". If you want to compete with time, then that is the TimeTrial group. If you want to race for position, then that is the official "race" groups. Those require race class, sign-offs, lots of seat time, and are more expensive. It is also a lot more serious racing. I will never "race" my FRS but I will drive it as fast as I can in HPDE and have a blast doing it. I will still unofficially compete but it will be against my own time or I will group up with some new friends and run with them to try to better my lines and push myself to do better. I like running behind a faster car because it forces me to try better lines in the corners to balance my lack of power in the straights. (the ESC helps in the straights though!)

IF (and thats a big IF) you want to officially race then you have to get your official race license.

HPDE costs ~$140 per day and you get 4-20 minute sessions each day (generally) plus instruction from the group leader that generally lasts 3 hours in different sessions. Since it is not "officially" racing and is more "instructional", some insurance companies "may" cover damage on the track. I purchase supplemental track insurance just in case. That costs ~$135 for the weekend. Full replacement costs minus a 10% deductible.

Most of the tracks in SoCal are wide open so if you run off or overdrive your car you just spin off in the dirt. Usually no harm, no foul. I've been to 4 HPDE days so far (~5 1/2 hours of track time) and haven't gone off yet (knock on wood). My first HPDE there was a brand new Cayman who spun off and hit the one thing possible to hit, the concrete flag tower. He totaled the Cayman, had track insurance, and I hear now tracks his new Evo10.

In summary - for $280 (or ~$425) you get 1 (or 2) days at the track with lots of professional help and friendly people to go fast with. Much better than when I used to pay $50 for 180 seconds of autocrossing.

My 3 cents. Sorry - back on topic - Phantom ESC...I'm determined to get it to last all 20 minutes of track time...can't wait to hear about the upgrade options coming up!


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[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by nlowell

This article is not my experience at all. First off, its important to know what your objectives are. Are you going to the track to race competitively or are you going to the track to just "race"?

HPDE is, in my opinion, for people who want to experience going really fast (as fast as you want or are able to) around a track filled with other cars and drivers who are also wanting to drive fast. The people that are on the track with you "should" be of the relative same driving skill and comfort as you. This is done by the different HPDE classes in NASA.

HPDE1 and 2 run together. The only difference is that HPDE1s have an instructor in the car 100% of the time and with HPDE2 its not mandatory. Passing is only allowed in the main straights and point-bys are highly recommended (the front driver acknowledges they are letting you pass).

HPDE3 is the next level of driver and opens up passing to more areas
HPDE4 is the top HPDE level.
HPDE3 and 4 sometimes run together and sometimes run separately.

In HPDE they don't track your time or your "place". If you want to compete with time, then that is the TimeTrial group. If you want to race for position, then that is the official "race" groups. Those require race class, sign-offs, lots of seat time, and are more expensive. It is also a lot more serious racing. I will never "race" my FRS but I will drive it as fast as I can in HPDE and have a blast doing it. I will still unofficially compete but it will be against my own time or I will group up with some new friends and run with them to try to better my lines and push myself to do better. I like running behind a faster car because it forces me to try better lines in the corners to balance my lack of power in the straights. (the ESC helps in the straights though!)

IF (and thats a big IF) you want to officially race then you have to get your official race license.

HPDE costs ~$140 per day and you get 4-20 minute sessions each day (generally) plus instruction from the group leader that generally lasts 3 hours in different sessions. Since it is not "officially" racing and is more "instructional", some insurance companies "may" cover damage on the track. I purchase supplemental track insurance just in case. That costs ~$135 for the weekend. Full replacement costs minus a 10% deductible.

Most of the tracks in SoCal are wide open so if you run off or overdrive your car you just spin off in the dirt. Usually no harm, no foul. I've been to 4 HPDE days so far (~5 1/2 hours of track time) and haven't gone off yet (knock on wood). My first HPDE there was a brand new Cayman who spun off and hit the one thing possible to hit, the concrete flag tower. He totaled the Cayman, had track insurance, and I hear now tracks his new Evo10.

In summary - for $280 (or ~$425) you get 1 (or 2) days at the track with lots of professional help and friendly people to go fast with. Much better than when I used to pay $50 for 180 seconds of autocrossing.

My 3 cents. Sorry - back on topic - Phantom ESC...I'm determined to get it to last all 20 minutes of track time...can't wait to hear about the upgrade options coming up!


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What about the licensing etc?

[nlowell]

All you need is a safe car and a drivers license (and a little money)


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[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by nlowell

All you need is a safe car and a drivers license (and a little money)


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Hey I sent you a pm.

[Sojhinn]

Do you guys mind taking a look at this? After getting my car back a few days ago. (Leaked fixed) I decided to a do a third gear pull this morning. (Wifey drove herself to school. Easier for me to have fun.)

http://www.datazap.me/u/sojhinn/esc-...ta=1-8-9-11-12

I noticed my advanced multiplier changed for the first time. I also replaced my old cracked airbox for a new one. But I'm pretty sure I reseated it correctly. Going to check that out now. But do you guys mind telling me if there's anything I need to worry about?

[nlowell]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Do you guys mind taking a look at this? After getting my car back a few days ago. (Leaked fixed) I decided to a do a third gear pull this morning. (Wifey drove herself to school. Easier for me to have fun.)

http://www.datazap.me/u/sojhinn/esc-...ta=1-8-9-11-12

I noticed my advanced multiplier changed for the first time. I also replaced my old cracked airbox for a new one. But I'm pretty sure I reseated it correctly. Going to check that out now. But do you guys mind telling me if there's anything I need to worry about?

If I remember correctly, according to Shiv - Ign Advance should be in the Mid 20s and AFR should be in the mid 12s.

Your AFR spikes under 4k just like mine. Your doesn't go up to 18:1 like mine but it's going up to 14.7:1 then drops down into the 12s and 11s (which I think is where it is supposed to be).

Yours


Mine


Your Ign Advance starts at ~10 and goes up to the mid 20's Mid 20's is good according to Shiv but not sure if starting at ~10 is good or bad.

Yours


Mine


You are also running e85, rights? Maybe that's why your AFR is lower than mine below 4k but it looks like the OFT tune below 4k is not adjusting for the ESC.

I also noticed my Adv. Multiplier would go down to .88 when in partial throttle but would go back to 1.0 when in WOT just like yours.

Again, not sure what is right or wrong, just comparing results. Maybe Shiv can help us understand.

[Sojhinn]

No 91 gas

[SloS14]

To anyone still on the fence, I was on my way home today going about 65 in 6th gear. Punched the gas to pass someone and the car felt completely dead like it had no power, realized the ESC was turned off. It makes a HUGE difference.

It's not one of those mods where you have to convince yourself that it makes the car faster. It's a pig without it.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by SloS14

To anyone still on the fence, I was on my way home today going about 65 in 6th gear. Punched the gas to pass someone and the car felt completely dead like it had no power, realized the ESC was turned off. It makes a HUGE difference.

It's not one of those mods where you have to convince yourself that it makes the car faster. It's a pig without it.

Awesome just make sure not to arm the device when you are already wot

My oft got here today!!! Can't wait to get some new power and torque

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