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07-16-2012, 07:13 PM | #29 |
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I don't think it was the "because racecar" comment but the fact that you felt the need to Google it for us
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But he tried to explain the use of superchargers and the differences, before I posted the google search.
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I just enjoy reading these lol
I'm down for what gives me the best daily up. not what peak hp I can get on a dyno but daily have fun drive around and enjoy my car!!! turbo or sc.... |
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I'm pretty sure overall cost is the leading reason for Turbo popularity. They improve MPG, are cheaper to manufacture, MOST Car Tuners are not actually skilled drivers to worry about track racing, the BOV sounds cool at shows/meets, and Turbo Lag can easily be fixed by just adding another.
Toyota has never been a brand about straight lines. They make cars to get the best lap times, not 0-60 times. I feel like Corvette Supercharges because of it's uphill battle of trying to escape Muscle Car status. It wants to be counted among European's great Super Cars which are meant for touring/road racing. |
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07-18-2012, 02:10 PM | #34 |
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All any company wants is profit... The RD involved with supercharging systems is much more involved. GM and Ford both refuse to develop their own systems (EATON). Those that do develop their own system are required to invest tons of funds into R&D. Most guys can custom manufacture a turbo kit, where in especially screw charger setups they have to be completely designed and manufactured for that particular engine model. Where turbo's you can mix and match and swap accordingly in your own garage. Where a roots charger has to be cast and made for each car's individual intake. Again means it takes way more funds to develop which makes profit margin less and most desings like Eaton,Magna, Kenne are all patented designs using only their components. Its alot easier to make a turbo kit for 10 cars that uses 50% of the same components where a supercharger will only fit one drive train and share maybe 10% of the same components.
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Pretty much...
Its cost. A tuner can develop a turbo system for less than a blower in most cases. |
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Good point, when one is the best then they are most of time most profitable. Change my statement: "Most" companies main concern is profit. Yet, if I made the worlds greatest mustard yet stuck everything I had into R&D for it. It would bank roll me before it would ever hit the shelf. Valid point though!
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It is not cheaper to buy a well designed, off the shelf turbo kit. For virtually every NA car, bolt-on turbo kits are much more expensive than supercharger kits, either positive displacement or centrifugal. It is cheaper if you buy a crap eBay turbo kit or, on occasion, if you piece together the kit yourself and fab it up in your garage. You get to save the R&D costs in the well designed kit....by doing all the R&D yourself.
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That's 60 years of Corvette road racers. GM used a blower on the ZR1 because it's the cheapest way to make big, reliable power. None of the exotics that make the hp that the ZR1 does can match it for torque. They do it with stratospheric RPM. That's why you can putter around at 80mph in 6th at 2000rpm getting 24mpg. A PD blower gives you a big, fat, flat torque curve. Could GM have done the same thing that Ferrari and Lamborghini do with their NA motors? Sure. It's not hard to build a high rpm NA motor that makes stratospheric HP and little torque. Bolting a blower to a low compression LS3 is just smart. Same thing as the Ford GT, except they stuck the motor behind the driver's head. Last edited by LSxJunkie; 07-20-2012 at 12:11 AM. |
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You seem to be more knowledgeable than me, at least with Vettes. I should have prefaced that my frame of reference is based off of the Honda world and 15+ years of scouring message boards and going to meets, reading dynos and learning about Hondas. The (cheap) import world did and does things differently. Heck the Scion tC's TRD doesn't even have an intercooler. JRSC bolt-on kits for Civics didn't have intercoolers. All these people do, are drag race and street race, and you're maybe lucky if they autocrossed once or twice. The S2000 had the first group of (a large number...baring the NSX) owners that cared about the longevity of their engine as well as bigger power numbers. The scene moved from roots blowers over to a centrifugal Vortech kit with a "Power Cooler". That was one of the first (at least in the Honda world) that I can remember that was centrifugal especially with an intercooler. Again, this is my frame of reference and probably the OP's as well. And is why he asked why turbos are so prevalent; it's because at one time, they were. Aftermarket superchargers on things like Civics are a relatively new; the past15-20 years, whereas Chevy and Ford guys have been doing it for way longer. |
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