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03-13-2012, 01:29 AM | #15 | ||
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To put it very simply; VVT was widely adopted by the automotive industry. Engines produced today without a intelligent VVT system are stone age basically (I don't know if there are any). An intelligent VVT system is included with VTEC engines as current i-VTEC. Most VTEC cam switching was not as widely adopted. Toyotas' 2ZZ-GE is the only Toyota engine to mimic the VTEC system with the single cam swap VVTL-i. Many manufactures are looking into variable that control valve lift variably rather than a cam switch. And many didn't even explore a cam switch system in it's prime. |
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I assumed he was talking about the K24 Civic, because it's most fair to compare new cars afterall...the old Civic would get smoked as it does not have as great of a low end torque advantage. Well not exactly, it'd still be close.
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03-13-2012, 11:05 AM | #17 |
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The k20z3 vtec isn't that great either. They downtuned the engine just prior to the cam switchover so that it would have an artificial "kick". The sound it makes when it switches over is nice though.
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For everyday driving, for the average or slightly above average driver, FWD is superior due to better all weather traction. I grew up and learned to drive in a time when the only front wheel drive cars were "Elder"ados. Toronados and some "quirky" foreign cars. I had nothing but contempt for FWD "performance" cars through much of my life. That changed when I drove a Scirroco and owned a Integra GSR. I still prefer RWD in my sporty cars but there is no arguing that FWD makes more sense for a street car than RWD above the snowbelt. Can you get through a winter with RWD? Sure. I did it for over 30 years. But it is easier if you own a FWD for those really bad days. The Civic is a solid, direct competitior to the FT86 models for most American drivers IMO. Even the ones that want a "sporty" car. Last edited by Rampage; 03-13-2012 at 04:56 PM. |
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I think you missed some of the systems that came out that weren't as widely used as Vtec, for instance the nissan NEO-VVL (Nissan Ecology Oriented Variable Valve Lift) Subaru had some dual pattern cam system that opened one valve before the other then locked both together...i-AVLS maybe.....I'm too lazy to look. Did you know there was an 8 injector 1.6l four cylinder from nissan that was knocking on the door to 9K rpm and made 200 HP? they out Vtec'd honda bro NOW throttle bodies are becoming obsolete in the wake of cams that are so variable in lift duration and LSA that they are throttle controlled and the TB is only used for IDLE air control and engine deceleration...BMW, Nissan, Toyota, not to mention Ferrari, have variable height and duration systems (i'm sure there are others these are the only ones i've looked at enough to know for sure what is going on as far as valve event) |
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A) Confusing members, easy to distinguish what is VTEC and VVT. Verses something like MIVEC and Double-VANOS. or B) a length of off-topic discussion You are correct. i-AVLS is similar to VTEC-E, in which number of valves actuated is decreased at low rpm. While the system is similar, its application to engine performance [fuel economy/drivability] is on a much different note. Quote:
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I don't land on my high cam even with redline shifts because it's set [stock] at a silly 6700rpm. The tuners that use the Apexi-PFC always decrease it to 5800-6200rpm on this engine, trading the "kick" for better performance and land on upshift. It gives a hell of jolt and noise in 1st and 2nd stock though. ________________ And that's all the off topic from me today... |
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2007 civic si beat a honda s2000 so idk be close??????? At least when Honda had those pro drivers play with the new civic si vs honda s2000, 350z, and a rsx.
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Are you sure it was an Si? Civic Type Rs had around S2000 power, so that's possible, Si is a bit short on power, I have a hard time believing this.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4o...-nsx-350z_auto Couldn't find it on youtube :-s
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while best motoring is probably the.. best motoring video series out there, i would take their "conclusions" with a bag servering of salt.
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