wide vs. narrow wheels/tires

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nah not taking you hardly even notice it. And wasn't smack about quality but two different designs and products for two different purposes. My old R/t would pick the wheels up and go really fast in a straight line but took about two football field to make a turn. It could go through a couple of moths of gas for the FRS in an afternoon. Two radically different tools for two radically different jobs. This is one of the reason I always scoff at people that say they "need" 300+ HP in the Twins.

Not 300, just 294

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nah you hardly even notice it. And wasn't smack about quality but two different designs and products for two different purposes. My old R/t would pick the wheels up and go really fast in a straight line but took about two football fields to make a turn. It could go through a couple of months of gas for the FRS in an afternoon. Two radically different tools for two radically different jobs. This is one of the reason I always scoff at people that say they "need" 300+ HP in the Twins.

Interesting. If your history was true pony cars, why didn't you stick with them? I mean, there is only 1 or 2 still in production (hellcat, demon), but what made you want a nimble car? I doubt the lancer you had was your first in this sort of category.

Oh, and what's even funnier than people saying they need 300+ hp, people who just buy the car and immediately decide they "need" performance mods.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Interesting. If your history was true pony cars, why didn't you stick with them? I mean, there is only 1 or 2 still in production (hellcat, demon), but what made you want a nimble car? I doubt the lancer you had was your first in this sort of category.

Oh, and what's even funnier than people saying they need 300+ hp, people who just buy the car and immediately decide they "need" performance mods.

I don't think pony car is the term for the demon or hell at.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I don't think pony car is the term for the demon or hell at.

I guess muscle then. I just figured pony meant straight line car

[switchlanez]

"Pony car" encompasses muscle cars and their entry level/rental grade counterparts.

Tellingly, while most pony cars were available with more powerful engines and performance packages—enough to propel some into the muscle car realm—the vast majority were sold with six-cylinder engines or ordinary V8s. The initial pony cars "were sporty compact cars for the masses." They transformed into performance cars for enthusiasts whose production viability depended on significant sales of economical "secretaries' cars" and low-margin rental fleet models.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_car

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback

Having only just stumbled across this thread, this was the post that irked me the most. Do you think that is in any way a reasonable comparison? Like, at all?

FWIW, I run 245s all-around for autocross. If I were to put 215s back on the front as you seem to suggest I should, I would get butt-raped in the butt with a lot of rape.

Like I said, if you are running slalom or autocross, wider tires make a whole lot of sense because of significantly greater incidence of lateral forces and the squarer contact patch. If I were using the car to run autocross, I'd do the same as you, but I might use a staggered setup with even wider wheels in back. But if the car is for the street, close to OEM will give the best performance. For this reason, when I tracked my cars, I had different sets of wheels/tires. I had one for the street, one for autocross, and one for the track -- and they were all different.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

It is not the same size sidewall. And sidewall height is a percentage of tire width, so yes width effects sidewall size.

I am going to go have a beer now

You are correct that it's not the same sidewall height, but I'm also assuming you aren't questioning that a mere 5% change in sidewall height is basically undetectable, and thus pretty much irrelevant when it comes to pothole-absorbing capability. Any perceived improvement is for another reason.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Interesting. If your history was true pony cars, why didn't you stick with them? I mean, there is only 1 or 2 still in production (hellcat, demon), but what made you want a nimble car? I doubt the lancer you had was your first in this sort of category.

Oh, and what's even funnier than people saying they need 300+ hp, people who just buy the car and immediately decide they "need" performance mods.

My drag racing days were in the late 70s and early 80s. Then real life came along and with a wife and kids that hobby had to go. The rest of the 80s and the early 90s I spent under employed and broke as hell so I pretty much drove $150 junkers while the wife drove the better ($1,00 junkers) as the family cars.


In 93 I was shopping for a light pickup truck and while on a small dealer's lot stumbled across a virtually new (1,200 miles) 91 Eagle Talon TSi AWD. I had never drove anything like that before so took it for a test drive. It changed my mind on the light (ish) Japanese cars forever and I bought it. In 2001 it was worn out to the point it wasn't worth fixing anymore so I sold it and drove my 58 Ford as a year round DD for a couple of years. In 2003 I started working out of town and the Ford was not a practical vehicle for that.


Mitsubishi had just come to Canada and I really liked the looks of the Lancer so I bought one of the first 100 yellow OZ racing rally editions to come into the country. Can be hard for the younger guys or US folks to understand but that was a very rare car here at that time and actually attracted crowds at meets.


I went through the 03 and 08 Lancers and loved them but then got the 12 and despised it. Saw the FRS while getting my oil changed next door and it was love at first sight. The rest is history.


So all in all I ended up in the Lancers and then FRS because they were/are incredibly practical for my needs.


On topic, when my FRS was sitting in the showroom they had a staggered set up with the ugliest colour wheels (sort of a hazy pearl beige white) I have ever seen on it. Don't remember the actual sizes but it had 18" by 9" on the back and 18" by 8" on the front. My driving at that point was over 50,000 miles a year and there was no way on earth I wanted a staggered set up with about the most expensive sized tires you can get so I told them to put the stock back on it. Those narrow stock sized tires have served me perfectly during my DD activities for all these years and I have never once considered even needing wider.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

"Pony car" encompasses muscle cars and their entry level/rental grade counterparts.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_car

Sort of evolved into that definition but I always felt the more original distinction of a muscle car as a performance version of a full sized regular production car as being more accurate. Yes Pony cars sort of evolved into crossing over into the muscle car realm but once upon a time they were two very different vehicles.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

My drag racing days were in the late 70s and early 80s. Then real life came along and with a wife and kids that hobby had to go. The rest of the 80s and the early 90s I spent under employed and broke as hell so I pretty much drove $150 junkers while the wife drove the better ($1,00 junkers) as the family cars.


In 93 I was shopping for a light pickup truck and while on a small dealer's lot stumbled across a virtually new (1,200 miles) 91 Eagle Talon TSi AWD. I had never drove anything like that before so took it for a test drive. It changed my mind on the light (ish) Japanese cars forever and I bought it. In 2001 it was worn out to the point it wasn't worth fixing anymore so I sold it and drove my 58 Ford as a year round DD for a couple of years. In 2003 I started working out of town and the Ford was not a practical vehicle for that.


Mitsubishi had just come to Canada and I really liked the looks of the Lancer so I bought one of the first 100 yellow OZ racing rally editions to come into the country. Can be hard for the younger guys or US folks to understand but that was a very rare car here at that time and actually attracted crowds at meets.


I went through the 03 and 08 Lancers and loved them but then got the 12 and despised it. Saw the FRS while getting my oil changed next door and it was love at first sight. The rest is history.


So all in all I ended up in the Lancers and then FRS because they were/are incredibly practical for my needs.


On topic, when my FRS was sitting in the showroom they had a staggered set up with the ugliest colour wheels (sort of a hazy pearl beige white) I have ever seen on it. Don't remember the actual sizes but it had 18" by 9" on the back and 18" by 8" on the front. My driving at that point was over 50,000 miles a year and there was no way on earth I wanted a staggered set up with about the most expensive sized tires you can get so I told them to put the stock back on it. Those narrow stock sized tires have served me perfectly during my DD activities for all these years and I have never once considered even needing wider.

Evo 9, best Evo.

Tbh, I wouldn't call them that narrow, we just compare the 86 to many other larger or more powerful cars with massive tread and not the Nissan Micra's, Toyota Echo's, BMW i3's, etc, with like bicycle wheels..

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Evo 9, best Evo.

Tbh, I wouldn't call them that narrow, we just compare the 86 to many other larger or more powerful cars with massive tread and not the Nissan Micra's, Toyota Echo's, BMW i3's, etc, with like bicycle wheels..

How many Evo's have you drove to make that statement? Especially since we couldn't even have them in Canada until the X came out. I personally have driven an 8 (in the US) and an X and greatly preferred the 8. Never drove a 9 so I have no opinion on how it drives but do think it was the ugliest of any version.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

How many Evo's have you drove to make that statement? Especially since we couldn't even have them in Canada until the X came out. I personally have driven an 8 (in the US) and an X and greatly preferred the 8. Never drove a 9 so I have no opinion on how it drives but do think it was the BESTLOOKINGiest of any version.

Fixed^

Purely cosmetic opinion. I've only been a passenger in a X unfortunately.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Fixed^

Purely cosmetic opinion. I've only been a passenger in a X unfortunately.

Oh dude the 9 looked like a Sunfire with a body kit!

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh dude the 9 looked like a Sunfire with a body kit!

Idunno if we are thinking about the same car.