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Dadhawk, your blurb on opinions is a lot more eloquent than mine, which I picked up from an airforce captain I used to chum with. Something along the line of opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one, and they all stink.
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This x100. I imagine the original purpose of the vaxi-nation thread was to talk about info, studies, trials, experiences, etc. Got a little skewed but I assume we are old grown ups here. I see very little purpose for this thread because it can easily be summed up to "Non ya business" on why a person hasn't gotten their vaccine. Why ask for someone's reason when they really don't have to give it to you. Then getting upset, trying to lecture, or tell why they are wrong, creates a toxic environment. I have ZERO, absolutely ZERO issues with anyone here, I love the purpose of the forum, the off topic lunge, everything, but out of all the threads to should probably be shut down, this one should be shut down the most. I'm a firm believer that perception is reality, no matter on what side of the vax spectrum you are. I can respect someone's decision on getting or not getting the vax, is their choice, I can't make it for them. It may be frustrating for some but is the reality of it. |
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https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...7&postcount=24 Pay close attention to what I said in items #2 and #3, as well as the paragraph immediately following item #5. Let me know if you have any difficulty understanding the prose I used. Again, for the third (and continually and evidently futile) time, your assertion that those who don't agree with you also, therefore, don't care about others, deaths, suffering, etc, is just incredibly and disgustingly closeminded, arrogant, condescending, and insulting. Debate your points, cite statistics, give rationale for your opinions... fine. No problems with that. Insult and mischaracterize those who can do the same thing to explain THEIR viewpoints that differ from yours? Yes, that's a VERY big problem. My wife and I were on vacation on a small island in Mexico about four years ago, having a wonderful time on a beach. A friendly person overhead us talking long enough to hear we weren't European or Mexican, and he asked us where we were from. We mentioned that we lived in upstate NY, US, and he replied that he was from Ontario. He then, immediately, launched into a diatribe about how awful our newly elected president was, how much better Canada was, and how sorry he was for us. I politely mentioned a couple positive takes on our nation and our newly elected president, and he proceeded for the next hour to follow us up and down the beach... LITERALLY... haranguing me for my opinions. I tried to have a discussion, but couldn't.. he just wouldn't stop or listen. Then, I said, "Look, we're on vacation, and I don't enjoy political discussions even when I'm not. Please leave us alone, and enjoy your day." He still didn't. We had to leave the beach to get away from him. He was the worst example, but we had similar experiences throughout that week... and all from Canadians. DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME. I lived four miles from the Canadian border for many years. I love Canada. I've been camping and fishing in midwest Quebec since the early 1970s, far north of Maniwaki. I've spent many, MANY wonderful weekends in Kingston, Ottawa, Montreal. Spent our honeymoon on PEI, and have been there many times. Gaspe peninsula, Cabot Trail, Nova Scotia... just amazing places. Getting to the wilds of British Columbia, and Vancouver are on my bucket list. Like every other place on earth, most of the people are wonderful and there's a few idiots. Why there was such a concentration of the obnoxious, opinionated know-it-alls on the Mexican island that week baffles me, but it was extremely unfortunate. This thread brings back those awful memories.
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I'm sorry to hear that.. but I guess it's nice to know I wasn't alone in the experience. Heck, could have been the same Canadian dude... we were on Isla Mujeres, just off the coast of where you were! Misery loves company, they say!
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The survival rate of the flu is about the same as COVID. Why don't we get guilted and pressured about the flu shot? "you may survive the flu but don't you care about everyone else". Why aren't there threads on freaking car forums titled "Why didn't you take your flu shot yet?". Why are people still so terrified with all we know about it now? Why are there people wearing masks in the car as they text while driving while also tailgating? |
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Why do people fail to acknowledge a massive spike in hospitalization, mortality and longterm illness resulting from Covid19? Rather, they choose to castigate me for urging everyone to get vaccinated. I'm trying to HELP alleviate the problem, not perpetuate it. And why does the flu need to come into this? Has it caused any uptick in mortality recently?
Almost as if I am telling people to jump off a cliff. I'm not trying to insult people. But on the other hand I have limited tolerance for those who seem oblivious. Nobody is forcing anybody, it is a personal choice. I am pro vax and have all the intellectual material available to back it up. You? Hey, why don't you add some projection in there while you're at it. After all, I am a Canadian too, right?
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If that worked then I would be a sheep according to @FR-S2GT86, but sheep don't eat meat, soooo....? This is the Sheep Paradox.
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If we could eliminate all cancer or all heart disease with masks and social distancing, let's be honest, people wouldn't do it. We have had over 600k deaths from COVID, and this is a temporary problem and people are freaking out, so if masks meant the difference between no childhood cancer or your dad dying at 52 of a LAD, or anything else that pulls on your heart strings, but it meant wearing a mask and social distancing forever, people wouldn't do it, so why wear masks and social distance for COVID? Because 600k deaths is just a small amount of deaths relative to what COVID was capable of doing, and it is ludicrous to sacrifice so many lives for a year or two of inconvenience. I would wear masks indefinitely in social situations if it meant no cancer--just saying. Here is all cause mortality, which I have posted ad nauseam, but it is worth a revisit I guess. As you can see, the 2018 flu season was bad, which is why you see it cross the standard deviation line, but for most winters, there is an extra 5k deaths per week at the peak compared to the low of the summer. For 2018, at the peak of the bad flu season, there was an extra 8k deaths beyond the typical rise in deaths. It is also worth noting that the flu season is a distinct season that comes and goes, but that is not the case for COVID For COVID, there was an extra 27k deaths beyond what is normal during the peak of the last spike. Given a normal year, we would have had around 59,378, but instead we had 86,925--a difference of 27,547 excess deaths that week. That is a 46% increase in deaths. Said another way, 32% of all deaths from all causes came from COVID. If we were to compress the excess deaths into one giant bell curve then the excess deaths would equate to an extra 80k+ deaths during the peak week. Anyways, the chart speaks from itself, but I'm just trying to give some relative context.
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The conclusion you draw from that point (#2) is that the probability of your passing the infection along is exceedingly low. Perhaps our perspectives, or the realities in which we live, are incompatible. You believe you can easily avoid infection and acting as a disease vector. From my observations of the world I live in, the virus is quite easy to contract and spread, despite taking precautions. The virus is, as is life in general, a study in applied probability. Fortune plays a crucial role. And generalizing from your personal experience or from mine is simply fallacious. As you noted people can contract Covid 19 and become less ill than someone who receives the vaccine. And as we all know, many people have contracted the disease and been completely asymptomatic. The difference between the person who contracted the virus with few to no symptoms and your vaccine experience is that person could have died from the disease or could have infected others who similarly could have died. As has been amply documented, the virus is orders of magnitude more deadly than the flu. Despite your unfortunate side effects, the probability of your becoming acutely ill from the vaccine is virtually non-existent and the probability of your passing it along as a result is effectively zero. I am glad you got vaccinated, even if you did so under duress. Vaxed is vaxed is, for now, removed from the pool of potential vectors. That you would have ventured unvaccinated into the company of others of unknown vaccination status, donning a mask only if requested disappoints me. If it seems like I am judging you, I guess I am. My apologies - to an extent. I am sure you are convinced that you do care about others. However, there are times and situations where our actions say more about our character than words can convey. For me, this is one of those times.
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