vs Toyota Celica GT-S (2000-2005) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

SteelReign · 03-11-2012, 09:04 PM

180 horsepower
2500 lbs
30 mpg hwy

Can't believe there's no thread for this yet, but now I'm lookin' for one. They run only about $10k for a 2005 model so they seem pretty budget-friendly.

Any current or previous owners have any input?

tranzformer · 03-11-2012, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelReign

180 horsepower
2500 lbs
30 mpg hwy

Can't believe there's no thread for this yet, but now I'm lookin' for one. They run only about $10k for a 2005 model so they seem pretty budget-friendly.

Any current or previous owners have any input?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=celica

SteelReign · 03-11-2012, 09:35 PM

thanks for the link. no need for the thread now!

cassidy0998 · 03-11-2012, 09:55 PM

I've been comparing these cars from the get go. I used to own one back in 2004. Great little car. Lacking in power but a great daily driver.

My guess is that the FR-S will be exactly equal to the 7th gen Celica GT-S. (2zz)

Power to weight ratios are almost dead on, mpg, dimensions etc.

The FR-S/BRZ is rwd while the Celica is fwd. That's about the only difference.

The FR-S really is the new Celica (as far as the specs go)

chulooz · 03-11-2012, 11:46 PM

Excellent performance benchmark... when built properly by Lotus.

SUB-FT86 · 03-12-2012, 07:13 AM

I have a strong feeling this car will be as quick as the FRS for two reasons

1. FWD has less drivetrain loss

2. 250 lbs difference for 20 hp put the Celica GTS at a slightly inferior P2W ratio.(13.75lbs vs 13.88lbs)

Handling wise I think it will be about the same. It doesn't look like a huge upgrade to me for Celica GTS owners other than having RWD.

switchlanez · 03-13-2012, 01:21 AM

I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer.

But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase.

I liked when Best Motoring praised the Celica as the best in the Touge 200 Class (among the Garage Limit Cappuccino, Circuit Club City, Yashio Factory Vitz RS, Loft AE86,RS Aizawa Roadster (Miata), Technoprospirit MR-S,Spoon Civic (EG6), Phase Integra R(DC2), C-One Celica (ZZT231)). Not the fastest, but the best balanced. This is where Toyota heritage counts as the foundation beneath Subaru engineering... chassis balance comes before power/hi-tech features.

Edit: This video cut out the praising commentary on the Celica even though it lost to the hachiroku but it was in this episode.

[u2b]Aka__VvEqkQ[/u2b]

cassidy0998 · 03-13-2012, 02:17 AM

Hopefully the FR-S/BRZ won't end up like the 7th gen. Celica...

carbonBLUE · 03-13-2012, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cassidy0998

Hopefully the FR-S/BRZ won't end up like the 7th gen. Celica...

yeah i wish my car came in AWD and turbo like the 6th gen

chulooz · 03-13-2012, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez

I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer.

But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase.

I liked when Best Motoring praised the Celica as the best in the Touge 200 Class (among the Garage Limit Cappuccino, Circuit Club City, Yashio Factory Vitz RS, Loft AE86,RS Aizawa Roadster (Miata), Technoprospirit MR-S,Spoon Civic (EG6), Phase Integra R(DC2), C-One Celica (ZZT231))[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]. Not the fastest, but the best balanced. This is where Toyota heritage counts as the foundation beneath Subaru engineering... chassis balance comes before power/hi-tech features.

How did you find torque in your GTS, nevermind FWD torque oversteer?

Also, which of the two do you think creates the chassis and balance: heritage or engineering?

switchlanez · 03-13-2012, 10:59 AM

^U trollin? How do wheels turn?

Lightweight/RWD balance is an idea; engineering is executed following guidelines birthed off of that idea. Without guidelines influenced by heritage, nothing would have been engineered.

chulooz · 03-13-2012, 11:08 AM

FWD torque (~120?) oversteer doesnt exist.

The mules are subaru, the parts are subaru, the builders are subaru... yet it couldnt have happened without toyota, but its not because of their engineers.

SteelReign · 03-13-2012, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez

I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer.

But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase.

Why'd you get rid of your Celica GT-S? and your MR-S?

carbonBLUE · 03-13-2012, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz

FWD torque (~120?) oversteer doesnt exist.

The mules are subaru, the parts are subaru, the builders are subaru... yet it couldnt have happened without toyota, but its not because of their engineers.

if you can make the tires chatter a bit at 65mph going into 3rd, with 120tq, then 120 tq is enough

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switchlanez Glorious BRZ Master Race Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: Subaru Libird Location: Race Wars Posts: 3,645 Thanks: 1,050 Thanked 2,718 Times in 1,079 Posts Mentioned: 110 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer. But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase. I liked when Best Motoring praised the Celica as the best in the Touge 200 Class (among the Garage Limit Cappuccino, Circuit Club City, Yashio Factory Vitz RS, Loft AE86,RS Aizawa Roadster (Miata), Technoprospirit MR-S,Spoon Civic (EG6), Phase Integra R(DC2), C-One Celica (ZZT231)). Not the fastest, but the best balanced. This is where Toyota heritage counts as the foundation beneath Subaru engineering... chassis balance comes before power/hi-tech features. Edit: This video cut out the praising commentary on the Celica even though it lost to the hachiroku but it was in this episode. [u2b]Aka__VvEqkQ[/u2b] Attached Images __________________ << BUILD THREAD >> Last edited by switchlanez; 03-13-2012 at 01:33 AM.

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