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Old 08-05-2014, 02:53 PM   #1
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Red face Is there a need for 400$ lower control arms ?

Planning to drop my car on Prokit and wanted to gets some LCA's and camber bolts to adjust everything when it's done, might aswell go for it while everything is on the jack being worked on. After looking around, I've seen LCAs go for a huge range. SPC seems to be sold for a reasonnable 200$, Buddy Club look to be the next option at 400$ and then you have Agency Power that go for like 650$...

What's the real deal with all this. Is it the coating ? The brand ? The adjustability ? The JDMness ?

What justify the 200$ upgrade for the Buddy Club in such a situation ?

Because in my opinion, especially on a lowered car, lower control arms couldn't even be seen unless you're laying down on the pavement.



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I just dropped my car on TRD springs, which are rebranded Prokits and no, you don't need LCA's for a 1 inch drop that these springs give. Just get an alignment and everything should be back to optimal specs without any camber bolts or LCA's.
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I remember seeing here some posts that questioned the durability of SPC stuff, especially if you are going to track it. We have the extra worry about winter.

Regarding camber bolts, unless you want to run bolts in both upper and lower holes to get more camber, then probably not.
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I just dropped my car on TRD springs, which are rebranded Prokits and no, you don't need LCA's for a 1 inch drop that these springs give. Just get an alignment and everything should be back to optimal specs without any camber bolts or LCA's.
I mean for the price of oem crash bolts might aswell get them but yeah wondering if LCAs are needed for my rear
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I remember seeing here some posts that questioned the durability of SPC stuff, especially if you are going to track it. We have the extra worry about winter.

Regarding camber bolts, unless you want to run bolts in both upper and lower holes to get more camber, then probably not.
I am indeed lightly tracking it (so far) but I am not taking it out during the winter time so I am not really afraid of the rust. I was just really wondering why there was such a big margins in products realizing a similar goal
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I mean for the price of oem crash bolts might aswell get them but yeah wondering if LCAs are needed for my rear

I am indeed lightly tracking it (so far) but I am not taking it out during the winter time so I am not really afraid of the rust. I was just really wondering why there was such a big margins in products realizing a similar goal
There is usually a difference when it comes to build quality and customer service with bigger name brands. There are; however, always exceptions to the rule.
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There is usually a difference when it comes to build quality and customer service with bigger name brands. There are; however, always exceptions to the rule.
I agree with that, and I though buddy club were designing quality parta, hence why I wonder why they are priced so low compared to other brands..
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I just dropped my car on TRD springs, which are rebranded Prokits and no, you don't need LCA's for a 1 inch drop that these springs give. Just get an alignment and everything should be back to optimal specs without any camber bolts or LCA's.
How are you adjusting camber back to factory spec without camber bolts or LCA's? There is no camber adjustment stock, at all.
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SPC LCAs are normally priced per arm, not as a pair.

The question you should be asking, is it worth going from a $400 SPC/Buddy Club set to a $600 Cusco/SPL set.

Our opinion is that you're better off getting a high grade component for a rather critical component of your rear suspension. We've seen enough SPC and Buddy Club failures where we cannot recommend the brands as a whole.


OEM Crash bolts are cheaper. Whiteline camber bolts are just SPC bolts in a Whiteline bag.
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I'd go with SPL myself personally. There are guys running those and a simple entry level coilover around here locally and they are putting down smoking times at the track.
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SPC LCAs are normally priced per arm, not as a pair.

The question you should be asking, is it worth going from a $400 SPC/Buddy Club set to a $600 Cusco/SPL set.

Our opinion is that you're better off getting a high grade component for a rather critical component of your rear suspension. We've seen enough SPC and Buddy Club failures where we cannot recommend the brands as a whole.


OEM Crash bolts are cheaper. Whiteline camber bolts are just SPC bolts in a Whiteline bag.
Which one would you recommend for light tracking and daily driving on rough roads full of potholes ?
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I remember seeing here some posts that questioned the durability of SPC stuff, especially if you are going to track it. We have the extra worry about winter.

Regarding camber bolts, unless you want to run bolts in both upper and lower holes to get more camber, then probably not.
Ive had SPC arms for nearly 10000km now including 6 auto x days and 2 lapping days with no issues or slippage.
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Ive had SPC arms for nearly 10000km now including 6 auto x days and 2 lapping days with no issues or slippage.
You won't get slippage. You *probably* won't have any issues, but if you do, it'll be a catastrophic one. We've had enough customers have them that we will not sell SPC arms anymore.

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You won't get slippage. You *probably* won't have any issues, but if you do, it'll be a catastrophic one. We've had enough customers have them that we will not sell SPC arms anymore.



SPL.
In that case, this package: http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-8...-rce-1082.html is not even worth including the SPC's? What LCA would you recommend? or would it be fine to stick with stock even for track use?
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In that case, this package: http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-8...-rce-1082.html is not even worth including the SPC's? What LCA would you recommend? or would it be fine to stick with stock even for track use?
We recommend the SPL.

Stock will not fail, but it also has no camber adjustment.

SPL part next to a failed SPC part on one of our sponsored driver's cars.

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