Mr. Toyoda is great, but...

[lajlijthoj]

Mr. Toyoda who I THINK is ceo of Toyota not really sure and don't really care but I want to sure my thoughts on this site because I solely joined this site for this reason. Starting with the FT-86 and ending with the concept mr2 hybrid which I'm not sure if they're still considering.

The plans Toyota has for the FT 86 is good but it could've been great!! I know tying up ends with other companies is a great idea because of hardships to auto companies now-a-days but really they did not need to use Subaru's 2.0 boxer engine for the 86, which I'm assuming is either the ej22 or ej25, don't know because haven't done enough research. If they really wanted to keep the spirit of the AE86 they should've used an all motor car and compete with a civic which has always been it's rivals since time. And the motor which possibly could've went in instead of the boxer 2.0 is the Lexus's which is Toyota, motor, the 2gr-fse. It's a v6 and makes about around 250-300 not sure, someone confirm this. And then there's an option of always going turbo for whomever wants to play with it, but I'd say if it IS suppose to be lightweight I'm assuming about 2000-2500 to keep intact with the 7th gen celica and the 2gr-fse would be more than enough to get it moving. And it would compete with the new Civic's k20's which are making a lot of hp for all motor cars now, because the 2gr-fse weighs about as much as a k20a2 roughly 380lbs? But I believe k20 is heavier, these numbers are close I know but not exact, again someone confirm if possible. The boxer 2.0 would be more maintence in long run too compared to 2gr which is normally a camry motor, only difference between is350 and camry is the extra letter engine code, 2gr-fse and 2gr-fe.




And another thought of why Mr. Toyoda is great, but... could be God.
There were also rumors(old,new) of a new mr2 spyder hybrid sports concept. Exactly what I posted on this video:
Here's a great idea for those Toyota creaters. Use MR2 Spyder platform, redesign the body a little and keep true to light weight concept then throw in the camry's 2gr-fe v6 with a newer ECU and keep pricet tag under 25k and there's a seller. Who wouldn't want to buy that. That's basically a cheap Lotus Evora but lighter because of the 2 seats and convertible.
And if they want to keep the dumb hybrid idea and copy Honda's CR-Z the camry's v6 2gr-fe is perfect for it still because it comes in hybrid version too. Silly Mr. Toyoda, forgets about what he makes is already good.

Video to the MR2 hybrid concept

[lajlijthoj]

Just researched and the 2gr-fse from the Lexus IS350 is 306 hp and goes 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. That's with the heavy luxury IS350 body. And 300hp isn't that what the 2.0 boxer turbo is doing? I know the 2gr-fse is 3.5 but it is a v6 and keeps the all motor part at least. Not the high end but all motor is more reliable in the long run. And the lexus is most luxurious IS350 is only 30k lowest trim, that means the FT86 would still stay in range of 20k.

[Dimman]

omfg, where to even start with this mess...

[70NYD]

Wow... Go and hang your self.. Or do some research before blurting crap out. Really.. Your embarrassing me cus were the same species..

[4agze]

You watch toooo much initial d kid, This is how ignorant you sound

If they really wanted to keep the spirit of the AE86 they should've used an all motor car and compete with a civic which has always been it's rivals since time.

since when? When you watched initial d vs EG6, look kid i know your new on this forum but pls pls read more,You sound like another guy in this forum who wants a V6 on his FT86. Tell me on what you learned & read about AE86 why this FT86 deserves a V6 vs a flat 4?

[Calais]

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[KiingDavid]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Wow... Go and hang your self.. Or do some research before blurting crap out. Really.. Your embarrassing me cus were the same species..

ouch...

anyway lajlijthoj i understand where ure coming from. the heart of the ft86 is a subaru and u want toyota to keep the heart a toyota. but then u got carried away with wrong presumptions.
1. who says the ft will use the ej or even have a turbo?
2. theres nothing 86 about a v6 pushing 300hp (thats more suited for a next gen supra?)
3. in the early-mid 80s when the ae86 was released, civics were nothing. theyre little more than nothing now but the prospective market for each cars are gonna be different.
4. the mr-s hybrid is nothing more than the mr-2 with an engine swap with some visual upgrades.
5. contradicing urself now. the spirit of the ae86 to be ft86. and then u start talking about evoras and mr-s. abosolutely nothing 86 about MR layouts

Subaru make great engines and toyota is just great. so why not put them together.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by KiingDavid

ouch...

anyway lajlijthoj i understand where ure coming from. the heart of the ft86 is a subaru and u want toyota to keep the heart a toyota. but then u got carried away with wrong presumptions.
1. who says the ft will use the ej or even have a turbo?
2. theres nothing 86 about a v6 pushing 300hp (thats more suited for a next gen supra?)
3. in the early-mid 80s when the ae86 was released, civics were nothing. theyre little more than nothing now but the prospective market for each cars are gonna be different.
4. the mr-s hybrid is nothing more than the mr-2 with an engine swap with some visual upgrades.
5. contradicing urself now. the spirit of the ae86 to be ft86. and then u start talking about evoras and mr-s. abosolutely nothing 86 about MR layouts

Subaru make great engines and toyota is just great. so why not put them together.

True that.
It's nice to see Toyota bring back the spirit of AE86, but I want to see them making the car awesome so that they don't have to stop the production on the first run. What is wrong with boxer engine when everything inside is still Toyota?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dark

True that.
It's nice to see Toyota bring back the spirit of AE86, but I want to see them making the car awesome so that they don't have to stop the production on the first run. What is wrong with boxer engine when everything inside is still Toyota?

If anything using Subaru for their Boxer engines was a step in the right direction. A compact sports car with a compact engine? Sounds good to me .


And a K20/F20 weighs closer to 250lbs vs a 3.5 liter aluminum v6 weighs over 300lbs not the same weight by far .

[[es vi: eks]]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

If anything using Subaru for their Boxer engines was a step in the right direction. A compact sports car with a compact engine? Sounds good to me .

I totally agree...


Also historicly Toyota used to use boxer twins in some of there cars.
Just like there little Sports 800. Read somewhere it was the first production sports car Toyota did????
It had a wee 790cc twin carb flat twin.


It will be a Subaru FB series engine with the Toyota/Yamaha heads
Heard the turbo one mite be a EJ but just will have to wait and see.
The FB is a lighter more compact engine compaired to the EJ series

[Matador]

Originally Posted by [es vi: eks]

I totally agree...


Also historicly Toyota used to use boxer twins in some of there cars.
Just like there little Sports 800. Read somewhere it was the first production sports car Toyota did????
It had a wee 790cc twin carb flat twin.


It will be a Subaru FB series engine with the Toyota/Yamaha heads
Heard the turbo one mite be a EJ but just will have to wait and see.
The FB is a lighter more compact engine compaired to the EJ series

Indeed it was and indeed it did.

[KLB]

Originally Posted by Calais

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HAHA!

[NESW20]

shut up

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by lajlijthoj

And another thought of why Mr. Toyoda is great, but... could be God.