Good comparison - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Newtothegrounds · 09-13-2015, 12:01 PM

A good shake down with the twins holding there own.

humfrz · 09-13-2015, 12:27 PM

Interesting, thanks for posting.

I just wonder how he got 38 MPG from the FR-S ...... ??

humfrz

PabloN · 09-13-2015, 12:46 PM

He said it was based on highway cruising. I've gotten close to 36 mpg in steady driving (averaged over 3 tankfuls). Also he used the onboard mpg display which in my experience adds about 1.5 mpg.

why? · 09-13-2015, 12:47 PM

Yea if you go all highways and run it at 1500 rpm's in 6th I bet you will get sensational gas mileage.

NWFRS · 09-13-2015, 12:59 PM

Pretty cool they were able to hold their own.

Rampage · 09-13-2015, 01:02 PM

He dissed the automatic FR-S for less fun to drive but the interior shots showed that the one he was in was an auto. Maybe that is where his mileage numbers came from.

campy · 09-13-2015, 04:51 PM

"If you get the automatic FRS, the gearing is changed to be less aggressive and adds a little bit of weight, and pretty much ruins the experience"

Ouch lol. I'm a long time fan of Engineering Explained. He really does his homework on the cars he reviews, and he has great videos about automotive engineering. You can tell he really knows what he's talking about.

strat61caster · 09-13-2015, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by campy

I'm a long time fan of Engineering Explained. He really does his homework on the cars he reviews, and he has great videos about automotive engineering. You can tell he really knows what he's talking about.

I'm a little baffled at how he equated steering feel to vehicle weight...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

He dissed the automatic FR-S for less fun to drive but the interior shots showed that the one he was in was an auto. Maybe that is where his mileage numbers came from.

He explicitly said he did the 38mpg in a MT BRZ and had a few shots of him shifting it sprinkled through there.

ToySub1946 · 09-13-2015, 05:30 PM

Wow, he's so incredibly hyperactive...fortunately he doesn't live under my roof.

Please, oh please loan me that BRZ which gets 38.1 mpg. Mine has never, ever gotten anything close to that.
Oh, I've figured it out now. His BRZ must have been a different color than my car...thus way better mpg.

I do agree with him, it's the car for me, being as though I don't give a shit what others think...never have for that matter.

I need a nap now, after listening to him...maybe I'll get great mileage whilst my FRS is garaged during that nap.

why? · 09-13-2015, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by campy

"If you get the automatic FRS, the gearing is changed to be less aggressive and adds a little bit of weight, and pretty much ruins the experience"

Ouch lol. I'm a long time fan of Engineering Explained. He really does his homework on the cars he reviews, and he has great videos about automotive engineering. You can tell he really knows what he's talking about.

And yet he came up with that baloney. Somehow sounds like he never even tried manual mode on the AT at all. Which is really odd, as it is really hard to miss that if you do any research on the AT 86.

And I really really hate the whole, "watch me blab while I drive thing." It is so stupid and someday I know one of these people will get into an accident while they are recording. Honestly I thought the video was rather bad, and mentioning all that crap about usefulness when the video was suppose to be about fun to drive is dumb. At least he admits it is stupid at the end.

swpbrz · 09-14-2015, 07:32 PM

I hate to break it to you. But my girlfriend has an auto FRS and i have a manual BRZ. There is a very noticeable difference between the gearing. If im in 2nd going around a turn it is waaaaay easier to bring the back end out then when im in the auto FRS. Paddles help, but when they are both in the same gear there is still a big difference. I drive them both almost every day and its definitly there and definitly makes the auto way less peppy. Still fun, but there is way different gearing. 6th gear in the manual going 70 is like 3kish rpms and 2kish in the auto. Its a significantly different gearing ratio.

dratom · 09-15-2015, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swpbrz

I hate to break it to you. But my girlfriend has an auto FRS and i have a manual BRZ. There is a very noticeable difference between the gearing. ... Its a significantly different gearing ratio.

True. Eg 5th gear manual is the same as 4th auto (1:1)

Kaotic Lazagna · 09-15-2015, 08:20 PM

The automatic is geared differently, which is why it gets better mpg than the manual. I've also felt the difference in acceleration between the automatic and manual. One advantage of working at a dealership. Haha

why? · 09-16-2015, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swpbrz

I hate to break it to you. But my girlfriend has an auto FRS and i have a manual BRZ. There is a very noticeable difference between the gearing. If im in 2nd going around a turn it is waaaaay easier to bring the back end out then when im in the auto FRS. Paddles help, but when they are both in the same gear there is still a big difference. I drive them both almost every day and its definitly there and definitly makes the auto way less peppy. Still fun, but there is way different gearing. 6th gear in the manual going 70 is like 3kish rpms and 2kish in the auto. Its a significantly different gearing ratio.

so what you are saying is the automatic is more useful in the real world for daily driving.

09-13-2015, 12:01 PM	#1
Newtothegrounds Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2016 FRS Location: Canada Posts: 45 Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Good comparison A good shake down with the twins holding there own.

09-13-2015, 12:59 PM	#5
NWFRS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: ‘13 FRS Location: USA Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 3,945 Thanked 1,502 Times in 634 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Pretty cool they were able to hold their own. __________________ http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82872

09-13-2015, 01:02 PM	#6
Rampage Senior Member/Old Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT Location: Back home in Ohio now Posts: 2,446 Thanks: 1,931 Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	He dissed the automatic FR-S for less fun to drive but the interior shots showed that the one he was in was an auto. Maybe that is where his mileage numbers came from. __________________ So many modders have more cents than sense!

09-13-2015, 04:51 PM	#7
campy No rice, no life Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 266 Thanked 1,019 Times in 388 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"If you get the automatic FRS, the gearing is changed to be less aggressive and adds a little bit of weight, and pretty much ruins the experience" Ouch lol. I'm a long time fan of Engineering Explained. He really does his homework on the cars he reviews, and he has great videos about automotive engineering. You can tell he really knows what he's talking about. __________________ 2013 Asphalt Scion FR-S \| Jackson Racing Supercharger \| KW V3 \| Enkei RS05RR 18x9.5

09-13-2015, 05:30 PM	#9
ToySub1946 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 15FRS, 05MustangGT, 85Toyota truck Location: Eureka, Ca. Posts: 574 Thanks: 672 Thanked 590 Times in 279 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Wow, he's so incredibly hyperactive...fortunately he doesn't live under my roof. Please, oh please loan me that BRZ which gets 38.1 mpg. Mine has never, ever gotten anything close to that. Oh, I've figured it out now. His BRZ must have been a different color than my car...thus way better mpg. I do agree with him, it's the car for me, being as though I don't give a shit what others think...never have for that matter. I need a nap now, after listening to him...maybe I'll get great mileage whilst my FRS is garaged during that nap. Last edited by ToySub1946; 09-13-2015 at 05:42 PM.

09-13-2015, 12:27 PM	#2
humfrz Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 29,938 Thanks: 28,905 Thanked 31,955 Times in 16,478 Posts Mentioned: 709 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Interesting, thanks for posting. I just wonder how he got 38 MPG from the FR-S ...... ?? humfrz

09-13-2015, 12:46 PM	#3
PabloN Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S, M/T argento Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 133 Thanks: 109 Thanked 71 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	He said it was based on highway cruising. I've gotten close to 36 mpg in steady driving (averaged over 3 tankfuls). Also he used the onboard mpg display which in my experience adds about 1.5 mpg.

09-13-2015, 12:47 PM	#4
why? Only happy when it rains. Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: series.blue Location: Harnett county NC Posts: 1,995 Thanks: 5,698 Thanked 1,263 Times in 749 Posts Mentioned: 25 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yea if you go all highways and run it at 1500 rpm's in 6th I bet you will get sensational gas mileage.

09-14-2015, 07:32 PM	#11
swpbrz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: swp brz limited Location: ca Posts: 205 Thanks: 30 Thanked 81 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I hate to break it to you. But my girlfriend has an auto FRS and i have a manual BRZ. There is a very noticeable difference between the gearing. If im in 2nd going around a turn it is waaaaay easier to bring the back end out then when im in the auto FRS. Paddles help, but when they are both in the same gear there is still a big difference. I drive them both almost every day and its definitly there and definitly makes the auto way less peppy. Still fun, but there is way different gearing. 6th gear in the manual going 70 is like 3kish rpms and 2kish in the auto. Its a significantly different gearing ratio.

09-15-2015, 08:20 PM	#13
Kaotic Lazagna Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: GR Corolla Location: Lathrop, CA Posts: 4,934 Thanks: 3,089 Thanked 3,021 Times in 1,862 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	The automatic is geared differently, which is why it gets better mpg than the manual. I've also felt the difference in acceleration between the automatic and manual. One advantage of working at a dealership. Haha

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