Subaru Testing a BRZ with STI Badging and a Big Wing

[DarkSideFRS]

the tS BRZ is a disappointment... mostly cosmetic mods and some suspension tweaks (which can be done cheaper via aftermarket products)... if they had bumped the power to 220-230hp and flattened the torque dip, that would have been a great selling point... i dunno why they could only squeeze 5hp more with upgraded pistons and a better tune...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Yes I find the Boxer engine in the BRZ revs up like it's missing its morning cup of coffee. Even the non-vtec Honda engines of that era revved up quite urgently and they were quite fun to drive even stock.

Yes but take the engines of that era and apply today's emission control and mileage requirements to them and see what happens.


Comparing older tech and engines can be a slippery slope.


Hell my old 440 R/T made almost as much HP at idle as it did at WOT and the torque line was almost a flat line.


Much like this (only not so high of numbers since those would have been a pipe dream back then)

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

the tS BRZ is a disappointment... mostly cosmetic mods and some suspension tweaks (which can be done cheaper via aftermarket products)... if they had bumped the power to 220-230hp and flattened the torque dip, that would have been a great selling point...

That's all the Ts was meant to be. We've known this for like 3 years now. For some reason, people still don't seem to get it. If you're disappointed, it's because you believed the clickbait articles on the web and allowed yourself to get your hopes up.

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

i dunno why they could only squeeze 5hp more with upgraded pistons and a better tune...

That's for the STI RA, not the BRZ Ts.

Furthermore, don't be surprised if the car actually ends up making more. The 2015 was still rated at 305, yet consistently made as much as 15whp more on dynos compared to 2012-2014 models, stock. Wouldn't be surprised if the RA is actually closer to 320hp and makes 5-10whp more stock.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

No I get what you're saying. But yeah at this point theyd get so little return for such a big investment that there's just simply no way theyd ever consider it now.

Not sure they would ever have made any money on it since most guys looking for more power would not have been happy with the 20 or so it would have given them. Not to mention it would have cost way more than any aftermarket system.

[krayzie]

Pffff gotta pay to play this is factory tuning we're talking about and it's not Hyundai or Kia.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Dorb

Don't forget Its a 200HP car. Like I said when you get older you will understand. But hey if I was a young kid again, I would think about it too I guess.

I am old enough, I have 3 kids and I have a Forester as a DD .

Maybe you are confusing these wings with the stock STI wing. These are totally different and very expensive to manufacture. And by the way ... yes it is a 200PS car, but it is also light enough. Even the stock car has a weight to power ratio similar to some 280-350PS heavy sedans. My car has a few minor modifications and can keep up easily with a Cayenne S Diesel (385PS) on the autobahn.

[TachyonBomb]

Picks up iPhone
Opens chase app
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Clicks on checking account
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Can someone lend me a penny? I can't afford the entry fee for this thread. :-(

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

That's all the Ts was meant to be. We've known this for like 3 years now. For some reason, people still don't seem to get it. If you're disappointed, it's because you believed the clickbait articles on the web and allowed yourself to get your hopes up.

i actually never followed the tS development as i'm new to the frs/brz platform... but with all the marketing efforts subaru is undertaking for minimal changes, i doubt it'll do much to boost brz sales or improve profits... heck, the cost for "developing" and marketing the tS would prob more than the revenue it'll bring in... from a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense.

while i understand the purist not wanting a turbo slapped on this platform, a little more power in NA form would not hurt

[Alexioooo]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

while i understand the purist not wanting a turbo slapped on this platform, a little more power in NA form would not hurt

Agreed 100% but with all the emissions restrictions it would be hard but try to do something like the S2K's 2 liters and 240hp of NA goodness. I'd be stoked for 225hp or better w/ NA.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

i actually never followed the tS development as i'm new to the frs/brz platform... but with all the marketing efforts subaru is undertaking for minimal changes, i doubt it'll do much to boost brz sales or improve profits... heck, the cost for "developing" and marketing the tS would prob more than the revenue it'll bring in... from a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense.



while i understand the purist not wanting a turbo slapped on this platform, a little more power in NA form would not hurt

I don't think anyone expects them releasing this for profit reasons. It's essentially it's last hurrah to mark the end of the model run. From what's been told to me by a few insiders, a second gen is all but dead as much of the engineering team has moved away from what was suppose to be development of a second gen to other projects at this point.

It's really more a send off and SoA finally just saying hey we promised some form of a STi tuned version and now we can say we're not liars lol

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

I don't think anyone expects them releasing this for profit reasons. It's essentially it's last hurrah to mark the end of the model run. From what's been told to me by a few insiders, a second gen is all but dead as much of the engineering team has moved away from what was suppose to be development of a second gen to other projects at this point.

It's really more a send off and SoA finally just saying hey we promised some form of a STi tuned version and now we can say we're not liars lol

Interesting, perhasp we'll only have a Toyota variant next time around and this time I might not even use the Boxer engine.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Interesting, perhasp we'll only have a Toyota variant next time around and this time I might not even use the Boxer engine.

Hopefully they kill a 2nd gen and just focus on the supra.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Hopefully they kill a 2nd gen and just focus on the supra.

Given the fact the car gets uglier with each spy photo and is probably only going to be offered with a ZF 8 speed auto, I'd be totally content if they kill the "Supra"as well.

It's basically just going to be a hopped up 2 series with some toyota badges.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Interesting, perhasp we'll only have a Toyota variant next time around and this time I might not even use the Boxer engine.

Nope. Don't see it. They exist or don't exist together. If Toyota did do their own thing it will not be remotely like what we have now. A new Celica perhaps?