GR86 front bumper patent images!

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Based on the little we've seen so far, at this point the front fascia looks bland and boring compared to the Subie. Time will tell.

True comment. But only because over-styled designs are the trend right now. The BRZ will be much more attention-grabbing 100%, but it will age poorly, and in 10 years people will look back on it as the black sheep compared to the 86.

Sort of a flip on the current BRZ and FR-S/86 situation, where I think the pre- and post-face lifted BRZ is the better design because the FR-S/86 were overstyled.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Willpower

But they always look cool

That they do.

Originally Posted by ZDan

With good headlights, they just aren't needed. The fogs on my car just *barely* fill in a tiny amount to the left and right immediately in front of the car, I've never found them to be needed or particularly useful in any conditions.

Fog lights have little to do with modern bulb tech and everything to do with positioning. The whole point is they need to be down low to shine underneath the fog layer. If the fog is so thick it goes right to the ground, then nothing matters, but frequently it rests a foot or so above the road surface and then fog lights can do their job nicely.

My wife's old '08 Yaris of all things had great fog lights in each corner, down low, right above the bumper lip. The worked really well.

The earlier fog light kits for our cars were low enough to be useful also, but the facelifted ones got moved up too high and consequently don't work as well.

Originally Posted by dpfarr

Would gladly forgo my fog lights for functioning brake ducts.

Why not both? Put the foglights in the bottom corners of the "grill".

[gymratter]

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/pa...-front-bumper/

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by gymratter

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/pa...-front-bumper/

The article mentioned that the rear bumper of the 86 might also be slightly different. Any info in that?

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

The article mentioned that the rear bumper of the 86 might also be slightly different. Any info in that?

[daiheadjai]

Vastly-prefer how Toyota's front-end handles the space for the front license plate.

[SUB-FT86]

If that front bumper is considered bland and boring, I'd like to see what folks think is aggressive. The BRZ has the smiley feminine grille with pear shaped side intakes vs this having the meaner grille with sleeker side air intakes.

[gymratter]

86 vs BRZ

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Sort of a flip on the current BRZ and FR-S/86 situation, where I think the pre- and post-face lifted BRZ is the better design because the FR-S/86 were overstyled.

You take that back right now!
I think they all look good, and there is enough to differentiate them. I know I’m biased, but I don’t feel like the twins get enough praise for being really good looking cars with near perfect proportions. I was kind of annoyed when Doug Demuro gave the Subaru BRZ tS a ‘6’ on his styling score. 6?! Really??! A small, sexy coupe gets a 6, wow. Maybe he deducted for the wing. I think he is great, but he couldn’t be wronger on that one.


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[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by JesseG

You take that back right now!
I think they all look good, and there is enough to differentiate them. I know I’m biased, but I don’t feel like the twins get enough praise for being really good looking cars with near perfect proportions. I was kind of annoyed when Doug Demuro gave the Subaru BRZ tS a ‘6’ on his styling score. 6?! Really??! A small, sexy coupe gets a 6, wow. Maybe he deducted for the wing. I think he is great, but he couldn’t be wronger on that one.


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I'll take back some of it and say that the twins live in a vacuum without any competitor. So even if it is ugly or offensive, I can't point to anything else that is doing it better, aesthetically speaking. Like, I think the new Kia K5 is the best-looking sedan and the Camry is the ugliest. But if only the Camry existed, well, I don't like the design but it is still the best. So even if the 2022 BRZ isn't my preference, it is still a silver medal winner and I would be happy to have it. If that makes sense...

On Doug, yea, I might have given the Ts a 9 or 10.

[Red-86]

GR86 nose is so much better than the BRZ one. The situation from the first gen (where the BRZ had the better looking nose) has been reversed!

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

I'll take back some of it and say that the twins live in a vacuum without any competitor. So even if it is ugly or offensive, I can't point to anything else that is doing it better, aesthetically speaking. Like, I think the new Kia K5 is the best-looking sedan and the Camry is the ugliest. But if only the Camry existed, well, I don't like the design but it is still the best. So even if the 2022 BRZ isn't my preference, it is still a silver medal winner and I would be happy to have it. If that makes sense...

On Doug, yea, I might have given the Ts a 9 or 10.

I agree that the twins exist almost in a class of 1. But I still think we can say they are good looking cars despite no direct competition. The Miata, Audi TT, and maybe 370Z are similar in size/layout. But those are a convertible, a much more expensive car, and a slightly larger car.

I get what you are saying about the 2nd gen BRZ. I think it will be received very well once people get to walk around them and see them driving in person. It’s similar with the new Supra. Pictures don’t do them justice, they look great in person.

Car design is a wacky world. People will always hate certain designs, while others love it. Some designs that look “cool” now, look very dated later on. Certain brands always seem to figure out what will look good now, and will look good 20 years from now. Aston Martin does that better than anyone (IMO). I absolutely love everything they do. But those are a little out of my price range. Jaguar and Porsche always seem to create timeless designs also. Of the Japanese brands they have each made some incredible looking cars, but there are a lot of misses also. They also make a ton of different models so they all can’t be winners. Mazda seems to get it right more often than not. FD RX-7, enough said.


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[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Car design is a wacky world.

It is wacky, and what is fascinating is that Toyota, hopefully, is swinging back in a direction of pleasing designs. For me, the redesigned Mirari is sexy AF and I hope future models (Camry) adopt a similar design language.



Where has this Toyota been? Why did we ever get this...

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by gymratter

86 vs BRZ