ABS button....means ABS be turned off?

[Black FT-86]

I think a push button start is more likely than fully defeatable ABS.

Start/stop buttons are still popular, and since it would be easier and more efficient to continue to use the key like normal, maybe they'll add it just because it makes starting the car more of an event. The Honda S2000 had one, so I can't imagine it's cost prohibitive, especially if it produces a positive emotional response from the driver.

Maybe the ABS button doesn't turn it off completely, but there are different levels of 'on' which can be selected. With some of the fancier traction control systems you have different settings like: normal, race, off, and snow. Maybe the ABS will have something similar: normal, high-grip (race), and low-grip (snow & ice)?

N.A.

[MR2fan]

What I hope for is traction control that can be completely turned off, not the lame system thats in the Lexus IS where it only partially turns off. Way too many nannies in new cars these days.

[BALLIN'_707]

yes it better be able to be turned off cuz i will slide this for sure.

[scape]

my car doesn't have abs, so no it's not required by law...unless that happened in the last 2 years?
i too hope it's fully defeatable...

[Kenji]

Originally Posted by scape

my car doesn't have abs, so no it's not required by law...unless that happened in the last 2 years?
i too hope it's fully defeatable...

Yeap ABS brakes are standard equipment on some cars but not all. Some new models still don't have it. Airbags are required by federal law but not ABS.

Curious, what's the advantage in fully turning off ABS?

[86Fan]

Originally Posted by scape

my car doesn't have abs, so no it's not required by law...unless that happened in the last 2 years?
i too hope it's fully defeatable...

The 2010 yaris has ABS standard. I'm surprised that yours doesn't.

[scape]

all toyotas now have abs, and soon all will have traction control and tpms (if not already) i believe

mine was an 07 model year

[86Fan]

Originally Posted by scape

all toyotas now have abs, and soon all will have traction control and tpms (if not already) i believe

mine was an 07 model year

So by the time this car comes out it probably won't have defeatable ABS.

[JDMinc]

Originally Posted by Kenji

Yeap ABS brakes are standard equipment on some cars but not all. Some new models still don't have it. Airbags are required by federal law but not ABS.

Curious, what's the advantage in fully turning off ABS?

Some think they can stop faster without ABS than with, especially in the snow or winter conditions.

[JDMinc]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong6

So... I was looking at this picture, and it appears that the button on the left is traction control on/off, and the button on the right is labeled ABS...

So does that mean we will be able to turn ABS on and off...?

Even if they get rid of that button maybe there'll be a fuse you can pull to disable ABS. Not as convenient as a button which turns it off tho I guess.

[Jokem]

Originally Posted by Kenji

Yeap ABS brakes are standard equipment on some cars but not all. Some new models still don't have it. Airbags are required by federal law but not ABS.

Curious, what's the advantage in fully turning off ABS?

According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lo...#Effectiveness

"Effectiveness
A 2003 Australian study[8] by Monash University Accident Research Centre found that ABS:

• Reduced the risk of multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent,
• Reduced the risk of run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

On high-traction surfaces such as bitumen, or concrete, many (though not all) ABS-equipped cars are able to attain braking distances better (i.e. shorter) than those that would be easily possible without the benefit of ABS. In real world conditions even an alert, skilled driver without ABS would find it difficult, even through the use of techniques like threshold braking, to match or improve on the performance of a typical driver with a modern ABS-equipped vehicle. ABS reduces chances of crashing, and/or the severity of impact. The recommended technique for non-expert drivers in an ABS-equipped car, in a typical full-braking emergency, is to press the brake pedal as firmly as possible and, where appropriate, to steer around obstructions. In such situations, ABS will significantly reduce the chances of a skid and subsequent loss of control.
In gravel, sand and deep snow, ABS tends to increase braking distances. On these surfaces, locked wheels dig in and stop the vehicle more quickly. ABS prevents this from occurring. Some ABS calibrations reduce this problem by slowing the cycling time, thus letting the wheels repeatedly briefly lock and unlock. Some vehicle manufacturer provides an "off-road" button to turn ABS function off. The primary benefit of ABS on such surfaces is to increase the ability of the driver to maintain control of the car rather than go into a skid — though loss of control remains more likely on soft surfaces like gravel or slippery surfaces like snow or ice. On a very slippery surface such as sheet ice or gravel, it is possible to lock multiple wheels at once, and this can defeat ABS (which relies on comparing all four wheels, and detecting individual wheels skidding). Availability of ABS relieves most drivers from learning threshold braking.
A June 1999 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) study found that ABS increased stopping distances on loose gravel by an average of 22 percent.[9]
According to the NHTSA,

"ABS works with your regular braking system by automatically pumping them. In vehicles not equipped with ABS, the driver has to manually pump the brakes to prevent wheel lockup. In vehicles equipped with ABS, your foot should remain firmly planted on the brake pedal, while ABS pumps the brakes for you so you can concentrate on steering to safety."

When activated, some earlier ABS systems caused the brake pedal to pulse noticeably. As most drivers rarely or never brake hard enough to cause brake lock-up, and a significant number rarely bother to read the car's manual,[citation needed] this may not be discovered until an emergency. When drivers do encounter an emergency that causes them to brake hard, and thus encounter this pulsing for the first time, many are believed to reduce pedal pressure, and thus lengthen braking distances, contributing to a higher level of accidents than the superior emergency stopping capabilities of ABS would otherwise promise. Some manufacturers have therefore implemented a brake assist system that determines that the driver is attempting a "panic stop" and the system automatically increases braking force where not enough pressure is applied. Hard or panic braking on bumpy surfaces, because of the bumps causing the speed of the wheel(s) to become erratic may also trigger the ABS. Nevertheless, ABS significantly improves safety and control for drivers in most on-road situations."

It seems that completely disabling ABS would benefit drivers in off-road/rallying sort of conditions. For street use, ABS will always be more effective than a driver attempting threshold braking.

Now that being said, threshold braking could be learned on a vehicle that allows you to turn ABS off so you can discover at what point that wheels begin to lock up.

[Shiri Juu FT86]

Interesting curious to see what it does

[aspera]

Gravel...rally...Subaru...

...hello?

[Uvamosk]

Why doesn't this entire forum and other FT86 forums petition to Toyota to not included ABS or TCS Standard ?