A real live negative review!

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by catharsis

Sorry people still absorbed in the hype. But the mag is right. The car has the looks, it has the drivetrain, it has the handling, but it likes the bite. It accelerates like a econo box and thats it's downfall.

the only thing that matters is that its fun...

fuck that review there's 40 other reviews that say otherwise... ive driven a brz auto , and i firmly believe all anyone needs is a test drive...

i can afford more power if i need it but i probably wont, all my money is going to suspension and lightweight shit so i can toss it more

and it isnt just hype, the car handles THAT good, and it is a hoot to drive, why else would anyone give up cars that cost 35k-50k for a 25k sports car, there's plenty of us doing it, its not that its cheaper, its just funner on a daily basis...

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by google translate

He wants to be entered

oh, but this is promising...

Originally Posted by google translate

"We have 250 hp to the test already taken out from the engine," he says.

[Kunzite]

Originally Posted by eikond

Doesn't surprise me that a reviewer from the home of BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, and the Autobahn would complain about GT 86 being Japanese.

OK, I fixed it!

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

An Astro will do 0 - 60 in under 6 minutes, but only if you swap out the V6 for a 350 small block.

That's really slow :p

[pithy_logorrhea]

Originally Posted by blu_

People would be surprised at how harsh it is to launch an STI at 3-3.5k rpm to achieve low 0-60 times. Your rear diff sounds like it breaks (at least with stock diff bushings) and you are left with smelling clutch. I did it once or twice and never again.

Sounds like you don't know how to launch

In my stage2 STi I have to launch at 4-4.5k or else it will bog down. Don't let the clutch go slowly and you wont burn it. I've hard launched my car hundreds of times autocrossing and my tranny/diffs all work fine!

[racerkyo]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Not sure why you're comparing the 86 to an Evo or STI, both of which outclass the 86 (especially the Evo), and you can more easily see where the money went in said cars. If one were to only have one car based on performance and fun, the Evo/STI at their price is a better value.

others that i have looked at getting but not in my price range.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Yeah exactly, I know a lot of people said the S2000 was a bear to commute in because of the complete lack of torque. That's part of the reason why they retuned the engine with a lower redline for the AP2 models. I'm really glad that most of the torque comes on pretty early in the BRZ.

Good news, the BRZ has even less torque below 3000rpm. The gearing is also longer than the S2000, so it'll feel much much slower. For the AP2 what they did was increase displacement AND shorten gearing, to make you feel like you were accelerating a lot faster. They could've made the low cam more potent on the S2000, but they didn't for fuel efficiency reasons.

Unusable? At least 75% of cars on the street I see have less acceleration even at the speeds where the BRZ is weak, and I live in a place crawling with high power luxury cars.

If they do release a higher rev version, expect even less low end torque.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

I was able to get 5.6sec 0-60 in my WRX (magazine time is 5.5sec) without launching it hard, I just held revs at about 3000 and let the clutch out fairly quickly as I gave it more gas to get started, then I floored it and shifted right at redline. I'm not sure you gain anything by doing a clutch dump other than beating the crap out of your car. There are videos of WRXs on drag strips where you can see the driveshaft coming out of the bottom of the car when the driver dumps the clutch. This doesn't help you accelerate any faster. Just letting the clutch out progressively and giving it more gas as you go is just as fast and much better for the car.

This wasn't a clutch dump.... At least on the STI the rear diff twists and bangs because of the torque.. clutch smell is from doing what you describe.... I never had hotspots on my clutch, maybe i just have a sensitive nose... I know some people say if you smell clutch then you are doing it too slowly.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by blu_

This wasn't a clutch dump.... At least on the STI the rear diff twists and bangs because of the torque.. clutch smell is from doing what you describe.... I never had hotspots on my clutch, maybe i just have a sensitive nose... I know some people say if you smell clutch then you are doing it too slowly.

If you do it right there is no more slipping of the clutch than any other start or stop. I smell burning clutch when I'm trying to parallel park on a hill, never when I'm launching my car. The goal is to let out the clutch in as little time possible, so the amount of slipping the clutch is kept to a minimum. I'm still on my original clutch at 130,000 miles.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by pithy_logorrhea

Sounds like you don't know how to launch

In my stage2 STi I have to launch at 4-4.5k or else it will bog down. Don't let the clutch go slowly and you wont burn it. I've hard launched my car hundreds of times autocrossing and my tranny/diffs all work fine!

Did you upgrade your rear diff bushings? I hated that noise.....

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Yeah exactly, I know a lot of people said the S2000 was a bear to commute in because of the complete lack of torque. That's part of the reason why they retuned the engine with a lower redline for the AP2 models. I'm really glad that most of the torque comes on pretty early in the BRZ.

It's also sad to point out that only in the North American market was the engine changed. Japan and Europe still got the F20C engine in the AP2 chassis.

It really makes you wonder if people in North America can really handle the concept of a fun to drive car. So far all signs point to no, unfortunately for us real driving enthusiasts.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

Japan and Europe still got the F20C engine in the AP2 chassis.

Didn't Japan also get 2.2L by 06 or 07?

[86'd]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Didn't Japan also get 2.2L by 06 or 07?

AFAIK, no.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Liftcontrol

Der FRS vil bee eenfinitely greater een reliabilitee then the greatest reeliable german sheet
And eef der germans make 25,000 dollar sport car eet it weel be total crap

shietze! That is the worst attempt at a horrible German accent I have ever seen.

Nice try though bro.

Originally Posted by catharsis

Sorry people still absorbed in the hype. But the mag is right. The car has the looks, it has the drivetrain, it has the handling, but it lacks the bite. It accelerates like a econo box and thats it's downfall.

We're all maniacs for arguing about a car we haven't driven yet.

What econobox are you comparing it to? A Subaru WRX?

[catharsis]

Originally Posted by 86'd

AFAIK, no.

They actually did. from 2006 onward.