So the FR-S is $24,200.. what will the BRZ be?

[A Gomez]

So, when is the price info coming out now?

[meldarred]

I'm not going to make any decisions until I actually drive the car. I am extremely excited about everything the car has to offer. From it being a lightweight car, to keyless entry and push start.

I put my pre-order in expecting to pay around 29k-31k. The first question I asked my dealer was, "is the deposit refundable?" and his answer was "Yes."

I have no obligations to buy this vehicle. If the test drive disappoints me, I will get a different car. As an added benefit, I am saving additional money towards a down payment on a new car. It's a win-win situation for individuals who are down with delayed gratification.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

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Keep wishing for a 25-26k price on a premium. People are forgetting that the scion is going to sell for 25k which means a premium brz is going to sell for around 26.5k. Expect sticker to be 800-1500 more than that.



Your package price seems about right. Expect sticker on a limited to fall between 29k & 30k. I see a lot of cancelled pre orders since those with msrp deals are going to be paying what they thought were limited prices for the premium model.

Limited model is closing in on 370z territory which is a better all around sports car. Too bad it doesn't have back seats...

The BRZ P and FRS can compete to a point. Soon Pure Price on a FR-S won't be anywhere near MSRP either. Pure price has absolutely zero correlation to MSRP.

29-30 won't be MSRP for the BRZ Limited unless the only place Subaru wants Limiteds to be common is dealership lots. I love the car, but I highly doubt I love it that much. At that point I'd just keep my DD and either pick up some other not so practical car or do what I've wanted to do for awhile and buy a 60s muscle car to restore.

As for the 370, I seem to be the minority, but I have zero interest in them after driving them. They are not a drivers car IMO (except for the 350Z Nismo and to a lesser extent the 370Z Nismo). I want a drivers car.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by blu_

Yeah, maintenance on a Porsche is going to kill you.

Highly dependant on which P-Car you purchase.

[M-17]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The BRZ P and FRS can compete to a point. Soon Pure Price on a FR-S won't be anywhere near MSRP either. Pure price has absolutely zero correlation to MSRP.

29-30 won't be MSRP for the BRZ Limited unless the only place Subaru wants Limiteds to be common is dealership lots. I love the car, but I highly doubt I love it that much. At that point I'd just keep my DD and either pick up some other not so practical car or do what I've wanted to do for awhile and buy a 60s muscle car to restore.

what kind?

[meldarred]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

There's just a lot of really good cars once you get into the 30k price bracket. Like I said, I'll drive it for a month or two, but if I don't love it enough (30k enough), I'll sell it while it's still rare, recoup my money and go buy something else. But I'll give it a try no matter what the price.

This is a really good point given Subaru's track record on resale values. If I do decide to get this car, I will make sure I put enough money down so that I never end up upside down on the vehicle. This way I can opt-out for a different car a year down the road if something that I want more comes along.

I have seen a couple of articles suggesting electric turbos on 2014 wrx, 1.6T boxer on a brz STI. It is all speculation at this point! However, it is definitely something too keep in mind for future cars as long as I don't ever end up upside down and my credit stays stellar.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by M-17

what kind?

I've always had a soft spot for GTO Judges, but I'd also look around for Chevelle SS, regular GTOs, Hurst 442.

I've also always wanted to build a early 50s Ford F100.

I've also always had a softspot for 1st gen F bodies and C3 vettes (my Father bought a 79 Vette when I was 2 so it's always the car I've remembered growing up).

Soo.. lots of choices

[Dave-ROR]

Oh and nothing posted on Subarunet yet btw.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Highly dependant on which P-Car you purchase.

No matter what, if you are poor and the car isn't in warranty, it is a roll of the dice if something breaks... and then you are pretty much screwed. Compared to a Japanese car parts are expensive and if you can't do maintenance yourself then it is even worse. Even if they are reliable, they are still expensive to maintain over the long run.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Erm, a BASE 370z is 32k, and most are going to be closer to 35+. That's a pretty big difference.

People are talking about what you can actually get the car for now from a dealer. Check out truecar.com for your area. Plus Nissan has 0% for 60 months.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The BRZ P and FRS can compete to a point. Soon Pure Price on a FR-S won't be anywhere near MSRP either. Pure price has absolutely zero correlation to MSRP.

29-30 won't be MSRP for the BRZ Limited unless the only place Subaru wants Limiteds to be common is dealership lots. I love the car, but I highly doubt I love it that much. At that point I'd just keep my DD and either pick up some other not so practical car or do what I've wanted to do for awhile and buy a 60s muscle car to restore.

Agreed. Won't be many, if any FRS at MSRP. Add the market adjustment and all of the fancy dealer installed crap that they are bound to do and it will not be at MSRP.

Originally Posted by neutron256

Given that the VIP program usually excludes the STI and often the WRX from what I hear I don't think your ever going to see it for the BRZ.

Not sure what you mean. The WRX and STI are part of the VIP program. However they were not when they first came stateside. I was not looking at either of those cars when they first came out so someone else is better able to speak about the exact details. But I think they were on the VIP a few years after initial launch?

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

It's also pretty funny to read people saying about a "price war", or "Subaru screw Toyota come on!" When this two compalnies decided to jointly make a car, everyone knoew what they were getting into. Both of them KNOW what the other was going to do about pricing. When the decision was made to pour millions of dollars of research and investment into this project, they analyze it to death.

Some people make it look like they are doing things on the fly, figuring things out by the day. That is not the way building cars work. The price between models (BRZ FR-S) has ALREADY been decided, and Toyota and Subaru talked about it while agreeing on the project.

Haven't kept up with the news/rumors? There were rumors that Scion and Subaru were both waiting for each other to release pricing. Each one wanted to base their pricing off what the other set. With all the internal bickering up to this point it DOES NOT surprise me. Remember how Toyota showed the production version in Tokyo prior to Subaru? Remember how it was suppose to be revealed on the same day? There was an agreement, but that was broken. Remember the Subaru statement in reference to Toyota about how they did most of the engineering work? There has already been lots of tension between the two companies. I don't see any reason why that would not continue to now.

Originally Posted by ZetaVI

I'm getting a BRZ no matter the price. Enough said.

No matter the price. "Hello ZetaVI, this is SOA we would like to charge you $38k for your BRZ. Are you still interested?"

[engee]

I think it all comes down to what you want the car for. I would've liked to have all the other options that the limited offered as I was gonna DD the car for a while. But if the price goes over my own personal threshold point, I would probably start looking at the FR-S. I personally was going to use the car a lot for autocrossing so the extra power from the 370z or other options isn't really enticing to me.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Oh and nothing posted on Subarunet yet btw.

I may or may not be F5'ing that as well

Unfortunately they are usually 2 weeks behind on posting it after the publish date on the doc.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by meldarred

This is a really good point given Subaru's track record on resale values. If I do decide to get this car, I will make sure I put enough money down so that I never end up upside down on the vehicle. This way I can opt-out for a different car a year down the road if something that I want more comes along.

The car's resale value is independent of whether you put down a large cash deposit upfront or not. I would rather not have a bunch of my liquid cash tied up in a car that is depreciating. YMMV.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I've always had a soft spot for GTO Judges, but I'd also look around for Chevelle SS, regular GTOs, Hurst 442.

I've also always wanted to build a early 50s Ford F100.

I've also always had a softspot for 1st gen F bodies and C3 vettes (my Father bought a 79 Vette when I was 2 so it's always the car I've remembered growing up).

Soo.. lots of choices

Those are great choices. What about something like a 240Z?

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Oh and nothing posted on Subarunet yet btw.

Thanks for the heads up.

[DeepHunta]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Yeah I paid 20k for mine in 2007 with only 15k miles on it. Lol best deal I'll probably ever get on a car.

Which means I got shafter on my Legacy 2.5GT!! Bout a 2008 model at the end of 2009 for around $23K and had 20K miles on it. I guess I should've done for research and found a spec B. Oh well.

But like I said on other threads on this forum....if premium BRZ is above a base of a brand new WRX...then I'm going Scion. And if I can't get push to start button on the Scion...then I'm going Mini John Cooper Works